Nobody Likes Jennifer Lopez

November 23rd, 2005 // 122 Comments

jennifer_lopez_thumb1.jpgNatalie Imbruglia has joined the long chorus of voices criticizing Jennifer Lopez for wearing fur. According to her, Jennifer has a coat made from 80 murdered chinchillas. Imbruglia claims that unlike J-Lo, she would never wear animal skins. She told Cosmopolitan magazine, “It can take up to 100 chinchillas to make one coat and Jennifer Lopez has one made of 80 of them. Besides, wearing fur makes you look like an old woman!”

This isn’t really much of a story, but it’s just that I’ve seen these ‘J-Lo fur’ stories over and over again. I never thought there’d be a day when I felt sorry for Jennifer Lopez, but that day is fast approaching. Unless you’re dating the Hef, you really shouldn’t have someone telling you what to wear on a daily basis. If Jennifer wants to hit the town with a cap of bald eagle talons and dolphin-skin mocassins then by god let her do it. Top of the food chain, baby.

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  1. PinkRose

    I hate to admit it, but I kind of feel for JLo on this issue. I’m not a big on wearing real fur (it sure is warm and soft though..he-he) and I do think it’s cruel, but its unnecessary to slander or single out any celebrity just so they can make a point. Natalie should of just said she’s against people wearing real fur and just left it at that.

  2. Let’s face it. If you saw one of the animals that they make fur out of running around in your house, you’d probably stomp on it and throw it in the trash. Bottom line, being against fur is just one more meaningless issue that shallow jackasses can feel superior about. I guess that’s because judging other people for wearing fur is fun, easy, and it makes you feel like the most tenderest caringest person in the world.

  3. BEAM

    God I hate righteous celebrities.

  4. The lady

    At one point there was a horrible link on the right of this page explaining just whats wrong with the fur business these days.
    Maybe.. just, maybe… You ought to see a professional for the lack of empathy you show, ok Rainman?
    There are medications for the issues you have.

  5. ehaugh

    Do you think the stylist who told Jen that fur was in and that she would look great in it is still working for her? Doubt it.

  6. Felix

    I would never feel sorry for someone who earns over 300 million dollars a year for crappy, no talent, computer generated music and ugly clothes. The only controversary around her is fur. I can appreciate the fact that we are free to do what we want but there are a few moral issues that should be considered before wearing a dead animal. Since none of us have been skinned alive or electrocuted to death who would want to wear something that has been. There may be a reason why so many people are against it…IT IS WRONG!!!!! Wake up! It is an antiquated “fashion” piece. Get over it.

  7. trevorwarren.org

    I completely agree with the title.

  8. The solution to all of this is simple. For every animal caught, the fur trapper must plant a new one in its place.

  9. ki

    There’s nothin’ finer than a good pair of dolphin-skin moccasins. Only problem is sometimes they squeak, so you have to grease ‘em up with some California condor oil. Takes 15 condors to make one small bottle, but hell, you try being fashionable while your shoes are echolocatin’ all over the place.

  10. Mary45

    Who gives a rat’s ass. Wow maybe she should wear a coat made of rat’s asses. MMM…maybe then we would care!! I think she and Pam Anderson should mud wrestle over the issue. Now that’s something to care about!

  11. PinkRose

    I’ve read all sorts of information about the fur business and the history behind and the process of making mink coats. Is it cruel? IMO..yes it is. However, it’s still pretty dumb to single out Jennifer Lopez the way NL and even Pam Anderson has done. It accomplishes nothing and it just makes people like NL and Pam look like self righteous celebrities.

    For that, I feel for Jennifer on this issue. She clearly she isn’t the only one who owns collections of fur coats and isn’t the “real” enemy behind the fur business. The only thing she is guilty of (in the eyes of the anti-fur people) is wearing the stuff. If people like NL, PA and all the other PETA folk want to attack somebody or something, then they need to attack someone better than Jennifer.

  12. MortyFishbein

    You all have to remember this is Jenny from the Block, okay. She’s just a poor, Puerto Rican girl living out her fantasies from childhood; wearing the pelts of tortured dead animals, wearing conflict diamonds, marrying an extra from “Dawn of the Dead,” and making directors of her music videos and movies minimize and shoot around her soon-to-be gigantic ass. It’s a fairy tale come true . . .

    She and her ass are living the fucking dream, people! Amnesty International be damned!

    Poster 9, Ki’s, comment was hilarious. Echolocatin’? LmAO!

  13. tori

    i kinda feel bad for jlo as well. i mean, yes, she’s useless, but who cares what she wears? lots of people wear fur. fur is and has always been fashionable and acceptable.

    PETA sucks.

  14. HollyJ

    OK, well I’m with Felix on this one. Fur is a repulsive Medieval trade that needs to be outlawed…

    But the fur isn’t the only reason to hate J Lo! We so many OTHER reasons to hate her!

    I was watching E! during L Jo’s big rise, and on one program, they were discussing her cute celebrity quirks…

    Her assistants aren’t allowed to look her in the eye. They have to look at the floor when they speak to her.

    She requires red rose petals to be sprinkled on the floor so she may walk on roses. At one event, the assistant apparently forgot the roses for the floor, and J Lo refused to come out. They had to speed-over some rose petals from a nearby florist.

    She won’t even speak to a non-celebrity unless the press is around. (And in that case, she pulls the “Jenny from the Block” out of her gigantic dinoass to appeal to her simpleton zombie followers.)

    Let’s not even point out that she’s as emotionally developed as a home-schooled child. She falls desperately in love (‘HE’s the ONE!’) with a new lover every few months, as though it’s never happened before. I suspect she has ADRD – Attn Deficit Retardo Disorder.

    Don’t even get me started on her complete lack of talent. She not only lacks talent, but she is a giant hole of negative talent, into which all talent is sucked and disappears forever.

    Have you ever seen her on an interview? She sounds like she hasn’t graduated from 9th grade English class.

    If I were superficial, I’d point out that a family of 16 could eat for a week off her ass tissue alone. OK, well I’m superficial and I’m on “The Superficial,” so I’ve said it. No one likes a bubble ass. Well, no one with taste, anyway.

    There are so many varied and fabulous reasons to hate J Lo. Fur is just the chocolate ganache over the molten chocolate cake for me.

    PS We need that sterilizing machine to use on her. We need to nip that gene pool in the bud right now.

  15. jujucabana

    whatever, every non-celeb would lick her furry ass for just a chance to be in her fur-aholic world, so lets just drop it.

  16. mikeski

    “Top of the food chain, baby.”

    Damn straight.

    When you develop rational thought and opposable thumbs, then we’ll talk, Chinchy.

  17. Snoopy

    The Heffer, is a brainless, tallentless blubber butt. She has no common sense. I say she deserves the ridicule.

  18. AlissaInWonderland

    You guys, don’t support fur! It’s such a pain-filled process. Not just for the animals, but for the people who work on the kill floor, electicuting, breaking necks of these animals. The animal suffers the most, of course, but the workers constantly get injured, work for very cheap.

    The process of acquiring the materials for the coats — it’s not even right to call it a “material,” that’s someone’s skin we’re talking about — is so ghastly, it just doesn’t justify the final result.

    There was an ad here for several weeks that showed dogs crammed into a tiny cage. That’s just another example of what’s so wrong with the fur business and trade. Dogs end up being used for fur! In China, where the majority of J.Lo’s and others’ fur comes from, dogs and cats are routently slaughtered for their fur. So next time you admire a mink or fox or chinchilla coat, just try to picture that slaughterhouse: The tired, underpaid, angry butchers and skinners; the terrified animals, whose necks are snapped or who who are anally electricuted (yes, guys, it’s not one of those “humane” deaths, because the fur manufacturer wants to make sure that the fur never gets damaged.)

    It’s scary, scary stuff.

  19. erindipity0514

    I wouldn’t say I’m an animal activist, but I am definitely an animal lover. To see how these animals are killed is just disgusting. To imagine that people can actually do it is appalling. To see people where the product that violence created is disdainful. Jennifer Lopez makes me sick. Anyone who has the knowledge of how those animals are killed and chooses to wear them and help fund the atrocious acts is inhuman. I can’t stand Jennifer Lopez anyway b/c of the lack of talent and the ego. This just makes me despise her that much more.

  20. jeromycraig

    Two More Reasons I’ll Never Feel Sorry for Jennifer Lopez:

    A friend of mine was an extra on the set of “Jersey Girl.” The instructions given to the extras regarding Ms. Lopez were: “Do not LOOK at Jennifer Lopez. Do not SPEAK to Jennifer Lopez. Try not to BREATHE too loud around Jennifer Lopez.”

    The other reason is completely due to all the hubbub over her ass. I watched “The Cell.” I liked “The Cell.” UNTIL… In a scene where Lopez’s character is getting something out of a fridge, she bends over and then contorts and twists her ass up until it is perfectly framed. Whether it was her or the director’s decision, I hated her with a fiery passion from that moment on.

  21. ShelbyWoo

    Before you feel sorry for poor JLo, you might want to consider that in her new clothing line, Sweetface, she uses fur extensively. So, not only does she wear it (and a lot of it), she also designs and sells clothing using fur.
    So, if you feel bad for JLo…then feel bad for Halston, Badgley Mischka, Donatella Versace, J. Crew, and a long list of others because they are also targeted for their use of fur.
    In this day and age, real fur is purely for fashion. I guess some people have a promblem with killing innocent creatures just so JLo can look good and sell some clothes.

  22. kelikristina

    Fur is ugly…boooo

  23. asenath7766

    Yayyyy Felix, Alissa, and Holly J! No way will I ever feel sorry for poor Jenny From the Block for the flack she gets for wearing fur. If people could wake up out of their TV-induced hypnotic state, stop floating through life with blinders on, and be aware that there is SO MUCH needless suffering for vanity going on (and suffering in general), maybe this planet would be a better place to live.

  24. cloud nine

    Look, I dislike JLo and fur as much as the next gal, but yeesh! Unless y’all are strict vegans who would rather go barefoot than wear leather shoes, it’s hypocritical to point fingers.

  25. BadGoat

    MikeSki – since when does being at the ‘top of the food chain’ give you a free pass to practice cruelty?

    Let me know when you’ve developed rational thought and opposable thumbs and then we can talk.

  26. sharlit159

    I think comment #16 was a joke. Anyway, fact is that fur is only necessary in really, really cold climates. For more temperate areas, synthetic materials perform the function that fur used to – that is, keep us warm. So fur is really unnecessary for most people. End of story.

  27. tori

    i like fur. and leather. and burgers.

    waaaaaaaaah. i bought jlo’s first cd. but now she sucks.

  28. naeco

    Jenny from the Block? Please, that “Jenny” is long gone and now it’s a corrupted beaner who hates animals.

  29. mmmmmm

    I know some of you are trying to get a rise out of some of us, but, I saw the video’s on PETA’s website (I must say that they need to have a warning about that) and it was absolutely horrible.

    They were killing cats and dogs for trimmings, and contrary to what some people think, they don’t always kill the animal before they start skinning it. I saw a ferret or something (I couldn’t quite tell as it had no skin left) writhing around on the table after it had been skinned, and was left to bleed to death or die from shock.

    Now, can anyone tell me that anything can justify wearing fur? I don’t think so.

  30. igo-zuvi

    There are always extremes, but in all perspective, wearing fur is the same as wearing a leather jacket, having a snake skin boot, or even eating a burger. Yes, in China they kill dogs and cats. They also EAT dogs and cats. No one can really point angry fingers at them because that’s just how their society works. We’re all products of our culture and our need to conform, and China obviously doesn’t LIKE dogs and cats, so they can do whatever the hell they want with them, as we do to our cows (despite the Hindu’s reverence to them).

    If someone wants to wear fur, I say go for it. Synthetic fiber is equally upsetting. Do you know how many muppets they have to kill in order to make a sweater? THINK OF THE MUPPETS.

  31. sexydarin

    Do you all notice that most of the members of PETA are the biggest sluts on earth. Maybe somebody should picket them. Carrying signs that read ” PETA should be sued a million for every piece of tail each member of PETA has taken over their lifetimes” “Leave the tail alone PETA members” “Sluts love PETA!”

  32. Bella

    Like tori said, I like fur (especially the fuzz raccoon fur on my coat), leather, and while I admit I don’t eat burgers, I eat chicken nuggest, fish, turkey, and even snails if I have enough liquor in my system to permit it. Sue me PETA.

    *Oh yea, for those who didn’t know, PETA has killed over 12,000 cats and dogs since 1998. Hypocrisy at its finest.

  33. Katie

    Oh Bella, Bella, Bella- you silly fool. Let me ask, where do you get your facts about PETA? From anti-PETA propaganda sites?… Who’s funneling this bullshit down your throat?

    This issue is far bigger than PETA. It is about humanity, respect for life, respect for the animal species and respect for yourself.

    Yes, they *eat* cats and dogs in China. But we don’t here, do we? Yet, we wear the coats of these animals, which are considered pets in our homes. It’s all so crazy and twisted.

    If you think fur is glamorous, you are living in a world of delusionment. Tell me what’s so glamorous about crowded metal crates, where animals shit on themselves; screams of agony ; horrific animal corpses; blood-splattered workers; an animal full of terror and mind-shattering pain; filthy work areas and corrupt managers?

    Mmmm, so glamorous! So luxurious! Face it, the illusion of fur has been crafted by money-hungry fur traders, so they could stuff money in their pockets. Don’t fall for the lie. Don’t be another sucker. The fur business is one of the most corrupt, if not THE most corrupt, in the world. And the craziest thing is, we don’t even need fur. So, all it is, is an illusion of glamour- and at what cost! The oil industry is totally corrupt, but at least we rely on oil to get around in the world. There is some level of justification (for the record- I believe in hybrid cars.) But there is no justification for fur- absolutely none.

  34. Katie

    Oh Bella, Bella, Bella- you silly fool. Let me ask, where do you get your facts about PETA? From anti-PETA propaganda sites?… Who’s funneling this bullshit down your throat?

    This issue is far bigger than PETA. It is about humanity, respect for life, respect for the animal species and respect for yourself.

    Yes, they *eat* cats and dogs in China. But we don’t here, do we? Yet, we wear the coats of these animals, which are considered pets in our homes. It’s all so crazy and twisted.

    If you think fur is glamorous, you are living in a world of delusionment. Tell me what’s so glamorous about crowded metal crates, where animals shit on themselves; screams of agony ; horrific animal corpses; blood-splattered workers; an animal full of terror and mind-shattering pain; filthy work areas and corrupt managers?

    Mmmm, so glamorous! So luxurious! Face it, the illusion of fur has been crafted by money-hungry fur traders, so they could stuff money in their pockets. Don’t fall for the lie. Don’t be another sucker. The fur business is one of the most corrupt, if not THE most corrupt, in the world. And the craziest thing is, we don’t even need fur. So, all it is, is an illusion of glamour- and at what cost! The oil industry is totally corrupt, but at least we rely on oil to get around in the world. There is some level of justification (for the record- I believe in hybrid cars.) But there is no justification for fur- absolutely none.

  35. kyros

    Oh Katie

    “This issue is far bigger than PETA. It is about humanity, respect for life, respect for the animal species and respect for yourself.”

    Bullshit: PeTA IS killing 80% of its received animals, they ARE condoning killing animals, that are not taken. What does that tell us? That animal rights and Respect for animals goes only so far when it hits the reality.

    Whats the problem with fur?

    Someone said you don’t wear dead animals. Oops I have leather shoes as everyone else.

    Another one said that they are mistreated in China. So don’t buy chinese fur. JLo has 100% certainly no chinese cat-fur but expensive Chinchilla etc. These are not skinned alive, but treated well, so their fur isn’t lacklustre or broken. I get my meat from a butcher, who is buying quality meat, because these animals had a “good” life, what is the difference with fur?`

    3) You are a vegan and eat no meat, drink no milk and want everyone else to do the same.

    Fine, try to tell yourself you are not responsible for countless animal deaths for your Soy, wheat etc. but leave us alone.

    But for everyone who is eating meat but tries to take the moral highground about wearing fur. THATS RIDICULOUS.

  36. catnye75

    My husband and I breed and raise chinchillas as pets. If you have ever held a chinchilla, you would criticize anyone you knew that had a coat made out of their fur. JLo is not the only person who owns a fur coat, but by being a celebrity, she becomes the scapegoat for all fur wearers. She put herself out there, and makes no apoligies, so why should we feel sorry for her? Feel sorry for the animals! She is in a position to influence the decissions people make for fasion, she could try to be responsible and make better choices. She knows she is criticized for this, and doesn’t care!

  37. billabong021

    Lets be honest here, JLo:

    1)was never the ethical type

    2)is no spring chicken (been around the block)

    3)and DOES look like a posh hooker

    She therefore has nothing to lose by wearing fur coats. Question is, wat does Natalie have to gain by jumping the bandwagon and insulting JLo?

  38. kyros

    ” If you have ever held a chinchilla, you would criticize anyone you knew that had a coat made out of their fur. ”

    Did you ever see a small piglet or calf. They are sooo cute and especially piglets should be more responsive or cute than every chinchilla with a brain, the size of a raisin. Do you eat meat? Than you are killing these sweet animals for a good taste. That’s nature. I don’t see the problems with chinchillas sorry. Or cats or dogs or whatever. Pigs are more intelligent. Killing them painfully is wrong, the movie from china was disgusting. But if done painless I have no problem with it.

    ” She put herself out there, and makes no apoligies, so why should we feel sorry for her?”

    Why should she apologise for wearing fur? Millions of people wear fur. Almost everyone wears leather and eats meat. That’s nothing bad.

    “she could try to be responsible and make better choices. ”

    Why should that be better? Is a leather jacket better than a fur-coat?

    “She knows she is criticized for this, and doesn’t care!”

    Yeah and she is correct in not caring. At least the annoying anti-fur people have piped down in the last couple of years. They were disgusting. Especially those eating meat. The others are just stupid.

  39. Tha-Flash

    Oh Jenni-fur what are you doing wearing that you silly woman?

    If I kill her for her fur coat and sell it… That should be ok. I don’t think so.

  40. Katie

    Kyros- sit down and shut up. You don’t belong in this discussion. Come back when you have something sensible and rational to say. Otherwise, you just end up looking nuts. And we don’t tolerate that around here.

    But for the record, PETA doesn’t kill 80% of the “animals it takes in.” Get your facts straight, or get out.

    Let see what else? Oh yeah- you’re an idiot for bringing meat into this discussion. Do you eat animal products? Then shut the hell up. Your argument is typical anti-animal rhetoric. I’ve heard it all a million times before. And it’s always from the same type of moron as yourself.

    Just so you know, most kind humans who are against fur, also don’t consume animal products of any kind. But if you happen to eat meat, but are against fur- that is not hypocricy in any sense!! Get it straight! The bottom line is, they are participating in ONE LESS evil.

    And going back to just how evil fur is. Your whole argument about “jenny doesn’t use fur from China.” I just had to laugh when I saw that. I knew right then and there what a misinformed imbicile I was dealing with. Let me break the big news to you- fur manufacturers are not required to label the origins of their fur. Fur goes through many stages and LOCATIONS from pre-production. So a fur with a “made in italy” sticker actually started it’s journey in China. And how’s this for a statistic- about 85% of the world’s fur comes from China. Your beloved J-Lo uses fur from China- make peace with that and stop living in denial.

    But even if it’s not made in China, fur is not produced in humane ways anywhere else in the world. It just so happens that China is the absolute worst. But do you think they coddle their chinchillas in Germany or France? Think again.

    It’s time for anyone pro-fur to seriously wake up and realize that behind their “pretty and soft” fur coats and collars is a legacy of unimaginable horror, suffering and corruption. These people are pawns in the fur trade game, and they are wearing a lie.

  41. kyros

    “You don’t belong in this discussion. ”

    Now you have a problem, because I invited myself. :-)

    “But for the record, PETA doesn’t kill 80% of the “animals it takes in.” Get your facts straight, or get out.”

    http://www.petakillsanimals.com/petaKillsAnimals.cfm
    Received: 15661
    Killed : 12,473 (79,2 %)
    Adopted : 2,901 (19,2 %)

    Any questions, and by the way before you say anything ridiculous: Try to find a rebuttal at peta.com. The only thing you will find is something along the : “Sometimes death is the more compassionate option”- line. In other words they don’t dispute the facts. So try it again. :-)

    “Do you eat animal products?”

    Of course, exactly like 95% of the population and 90% of the imbeciles who are anti-fur. Meat-eating anti-fur activists are even more stupid than the vegetarian ones.

    ” I’ve heard it all a million times before.”

    That doesn’t make the arguments less valid. Perhaps you have heard it a million times, because they are good arguments?

    “Just so you know, most kind humans who are against fur, also don’t consume animal products of any kind.”

    Don’t think so, there are a few hundred thousand vegans and millions of anti-fur protesters. The numbers just do not add up. ;-)

    “The bottom line is, they are participating in ONE LESS evil.”

    So try to tell your meat-eating anti-fur compatriots, that they are evil and look where that leaves you.

    “So a fur with a “made in italy” sticker actually started it’s journey in China. ”

    Who the hell cares? These are details. Arguments against the fur-trade not against fur-use. If enough people think, that fur out of china is bad, than try to lobby for a law, that requires transparent Origin-labelling. This is easy, important and I would totally approve. Trying to get fur-use cancelled completely is stupid, won’t get any results and has made this situation, because anti-fur protesters did harrass the fur-farms in your country so they had to buy chinese fur. (just one aspect of course)

    “But even if it’s not made in China, fur is not produced in humane ways anywhere else in the world. ”

    Again, 95% of the population eats meat. It is easily possible to raise cattle in a humane way, you might have to buy your meat at a good butcher and not at Walmart. Why this shouldn’t be possible for fur, is beyond me. :-)

    “These people are pawns in the fur trade game, and they are wearing a lie. ”

    Looooool the only people who are living a lie are vegans who think they are morally superior and don’t harm animals, but eat whole truckloads of exotic fruit etc. which is the possibly worst way to eat, regarding animal lifes. Vegans are so stupid, they should try to talk to a farmer how he would grow something without manure or pesticides.

  42. Katie

    Kyros, I just want to say:
    I was anti-fur and still eating meat for many years. Now I don’t eat meat. I don’t think it’s hypocritical for meat-eaters to criticize fur-wearers. That’s because we all know that, while the meat industry is still extremely bloody, corrupt, often unsanitary and keeps animals in horrible conditions (especially on factory farms) — meat at least provides nutrition, and that is its only virtue.

    When it comes to fur, there are no virtues. The animals are killed for one thing only: vanity. If I had a choice: kill for vanity or kill for food, of course I would choose food.

    But the cool thing abour our world is we very rarely have to make that kind of choice. Having educated myself on the ugliness of BOTH meat production and animal skin produciton (which includes leather, of course), I realized that I don’t have to choice EITHER. I don’t have to eat meat, because there are so many alternatives. And of course, I don’t ever have to wear fur or leather, because there are alternatives.

    I’m glad that I at least took myself out of one ugly industry first, when I stopped wearing or in any way supporting fur. No one should support the fur business, whether you eat meat or not. But the great thing is, once you become anti-fur, vegetarianism will often follow.

    But to keep arguing in defense of fur, you will only keep running in circles. Because there is no rational defense for fur. Instead of defending it, take the time to read about it, watch some undercover footage, read about a typical day on a kill floor in China. And then ask yourself, is all this worth a fancy coat or a jacket or ear muffs, or whatever? I think if you give it a chance, you will see just how unnecessary that whole business is.

  43. fashioned__

    I’m a huge animal lover & I love fashion. I will never support wearing real fur because its just disgusting. I really don’t see why people can’t just go with fake fur. It feels different but it looks the same.

    For all of you who are in favor of wearing real fur, take the time to watch the videos showing how the animals are skinned and try to imagine the pain they are going through just so someone can use their skin as a fashion accessory. Its obvious the people don’t own pets of their own, or else you can imagine if it was your own pet being treated that way.

  44. kyros

    “If I had a choice: kill for vanity or kill for food, of course I would choose food.”

    would be true for an inuit and for countries in Africa, where protein is very important. In the modern world, meat is mainly a taste thing, as is fur.

    ” I don’t have to eat meat, because there are so many alternatives.”

    This is also true, as long as you do not think you save animals by eating soy, you can eat whatever you want. Since manure and pesticides is needed to get a good yield of your field you would be responsible for more landuse and therefore more animal deaths than me if you would have a vegan agriculture. Luckily something like that does not exist in big.

    “But the great thing is, once you become anti-fur, vegetarianism will often follow.”

    great for whom? For the people selling overpriced tasteless stuff to gullible people who think they save animals by being vegan? Go to a good butcher and buy locally produced goods and you do more for the animals.

    “But to keep arguing in defense of fur, you will only keep running in circles.”

    What circles? The only circles are run by people who argue against fur and try to argue why it is generally inhumane. I even could be won over to the argument, that fur-farms should be forbidden. But carefully supervised hunted furs would be of no problem whatsoever.

    “watch some undercover footage, read about a typical day on a kill floor in China. ”

    Again, what’s the point? It is disgusting, it should be banned as many other things and if it doesn’t get better you should ban chinese fur and open fur farms in your own country where they can be supervised. Exactly the thing, the anti-fur-movement has sabotaged. You are responsible for the situation.

    “I think if you give it a chance, you will see just how unnecessary that whole business is.”

    It is often not “neccessary”. This is not true for Canadians or Norwegians where Fur is the best material to keep warm. It is also not true in Countrys where predators like foxes are hunted because of rabies or to control their numbers. So being generally against fur is stupid.

    But even if it was not strictly neccessary, what is next? Does someone tell me, I can’t eat meat, because it is not neccessary? Is it neccessary to ride? Are honey-bees neccessary? Medical Research? Guiding-Dogs for the blind? I do not wear fur, but I hate PeTA and their associates. Talking about the wellfare of animals, taking the moral highground, feeling superiour but when they are in a bind, then they kill animals, “because it is more compassionate”. Or the ALF-member who managed a campaign against HLS. Now she has breast cancer and uses the very same medicament, which she was trying to fight. Fur is just the first line. You can do everything against inhumane fur-farming, but we are men, we use animals, so why not their fur?

  45. kyros

    “watch the videos showing how the animals are skinned ”

    or buy your fur by someone who can tell you, that they are not from China, that should be more easy.

  46. hafaball

    it’s just sad cause I remember reading a chinchilla saved her from a man eating bear this one time. I forget where I read it, maybe in a hunting magazine. The way people change…

  47. tori

    guess what. animals get fucked around with whether or not humans are involved. they eat each other. they shit on themselves anyway. we’re just part of the circle of like. were native americans evil because they had to wear leather? i don’t think so. PETA people are psychotic. tell me how throwing red paint on people is justified by their “love of animals?” it’s not. that’s fucking human cruelty.

    ps: my leather jacket is sexy. my fur coat is even sexier. sometimes i turn on “jenny from the block” and dance around in my fur coat with nothing underneath.

  48. April

    I agree with Felix, HollyJ, and the rest. Fur is murder, no way around it.

  49. AlissaInWonderland

    Kyros,
    Did you really just ask if “guiding-Dogs for the blind” are necessary? I really do hope you were joking. Guiding dogs for the blind help handicapped people. That is a positive thing. I really hope you can distinguish between positive necessities and needless negatives.
    Fur is, in the vast majority of cases, a needless negative.

    It seems to me that you can’t quite make up your own mind about fur. You do mention that fur farms should be banned, which I think is a great start towards becoming anti-fur.

    Of course, as with anything in life, there can be exceptions. Yes, eskimos — for example — need fur, because they are self-sufficient hunters who live in sub-zero climates. That’s the only exception I will make for fur wearing. But to say that we should just turn our backs and say, “oh well” to fur farms and other manufacturers killing and skinning wild animals so that they can sell their pelts to fur salons and department stores for big bucks — that would be tragic. There’s no excuse for that kind of vanity, there just is not.

    What puts man at the top of the food chain is also his ability to think rationally, to feel empathy. We no longer just say, caveman-style, “me hungry, me want meat,” but we now have the capacity to understand how eating meat, or wearing fur, hurts the animal and that there can be compassionate alternatives that will benefit us and the animal.

    So, to me, just saying it’s ok to use animals because we are men and we are almighty, is just an excuse. It’s not our right, it’s just an excuse for selfish behavior.

  50. kyros

    “I agree with Felix, HollyJ, and the rest. Fur is murder, no way around it.”

    As is eating meat, drinking milk, driving the bus (all the poor Insects on your windshield), eating bread (all the poor mice etc. that died on the field) etc. pp. life IS murder. Think about it;-)

    “Guiding dogs for the blind help handicapped people. ”

    Of course, but if you didn’t realize it, I made a climax going from fur (not neccessary) to meat (not strictly neccessary, but food) to Medical animal research (life safing) and guiding dogs (also not neccessary but helpful). There are million ways we use and compete with animals. Fur is just the first step for Idiots like PeTA who want to abolish all animal use (stupid and irrealistic). We live in a free country and we use animals. We have to. So I will always endorse people wearing fur, even if I would fight the cruel ways animals are held in China. Therefore we need local fur-farms. Something anti-fur people can’t understand.

    “There’s no excuse for that kind of vanity, there just is not.”

    Again, this is your position and I acknowledge it. As long as you don’t question my right to have a different opinion. I mean I wouldn’t wear fur. But if someone wants to wear fur, there is nothing wrong with it. Again we could converge on fur-farms. They are not neccessary, but hunted fur in controlled environments. No problems there.

    “hurts the animal and that there can be compassionate alternatives that will benefit us and the animal.”

    again, if you say compassionate I always have to think about PeTA saying killing animals may be the compassionate option. :-) The laughable point is, that these options do not help ONE animal. The cattle we raise and eat wouldn’t exist in a vegan world. You would extinguish all species not save them. Also you are so delusioned. You HAVE to kill animals to live. They compete with us for food and place. Every bread you eat means the death of a little animal baby wo could have eaten it, but was either killed or chased away by the farmer. Compassionate people feed doves, so there are more doves and greater problems next year. Or they free minks in Britain who are either killed or threaten the environment. It is all so ridiculous. But every rational argument gets beaten by Lion King or Bambi.

    ” It’s not our right, it’s just an excuse for selfish behavior.”

    again, you have no alternative. You have to use or kill animals to live. Also these are animals. They feel pain, so you should give them a painless live, but they don’t know about the future, so you can’t take a future away from them.

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