Mel Gibson takes on the Jews

December 7th, 2005 // 39 Comments

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  1. ebayfan414

    I don’t think it’s funny to call a movie about the Holocaust a “snoozefest.” I’m sorry, but that’s just not a joke.

  2. ebayfan414

    I don’t think it’s funny to call a movie about the Holocaust a “snoozefest.” I’m sorry, but that’s just not a joke.

  3. MrPloppy

    Not sure how much I care about the story. But why you illustrated it with a photo from Saddam Hussein

  4. I thought I was looking at a picture of Saddam Hussein as well!

    Also ebay, sweetie I don’t think The Superficial was implying that the Holocaust is a snoozefest just that the film would be. I watch many a documentary and I can tell you that there are some INCREDIBLY boring ones about all sorts of interesting/horrific/moving things. People should have a licence to operate a video camera.

  5. rivercmb

    Oh my f**king god, is he still trying to make up for The Passion!? Who cares? That film wasn’t that offensive, we don’t need another Holocaust film for people to bemoan into the 21st century. It’s been 60 yrs, get the hell over it! 50+ million people have died in wars (after) WWII. A million germans even died in American and Solviet concentration camps, after the war. Unless they resurrect the Duke to be in it, there’s nothing left that hasn’t been said, over and over and over.

    Btw, I wonder if they’d even mention that the 4 million who died in Auschwitz has been reduced in the 90′s to a total of 1.3 million, including all nationalities and those who died of starvation and disease. (At least the cast of the production has been dropped by nearly 4 times, that will help save some production costs. You have to think positive Riggs!)

  6. =^..^=

    are you sure that’s Mel Gibson and not Saddam??

  7. HollyJ

    LOL@ Bird on a Wire 2 !! HA HA!

    Isn’t Mel supposed to be at home conceiving his eighth or ninth brainwashed Catholic pie-eyed zombie child right about now?

    Let me get this straight–Mel’s father thinks the Holocaust was made up… but believes there’s a little man in the sky that talks to him? Got it.

    Having faith is one thing, but completely replacing ALL rational thought with faith is another issue altogether. This is how we come up with fabulous ideas like teaching “intelligent design” in public schools.. Soon we’ll all be in a big theocracy with Dubya speaking as a Prophet of the Lord Jesus Christ.

    I love that Mel’s considered this great Christian, when he literally rode Jesus like a camel all the way to the bank. What’s better than making money off of a dead martyr?

    People are such suckers.

    You’re calling the Holocaust an old story? What do you consider the story of JESUS?! That’s WAY tired. Tired, tired, tired…

    ACK people like Mel are the epitome of hypocrisy. They make me sick.

  8. ki

    “get the hell over it!”
    Oh yeah. Stupid Jews bitching about being detained, starved, and killed on a massive scale. Fucking babies. Oh, and slavery? Get the hell over that. You know you liked it. And Jesus? What!? You people are still talking about that tired old bastard!? That was 2000 years ago, for fuck’s sake. If you want some bearded dude that can take an asswhoopin’, let’s talk about Ted Nugent. That motherfucker wouldn’t bitch if you stuck him up on a cross. He’d thank you for every nail you drove into his wrists and kill you with mind bullets. That’s what badasses do.

  9. theDean

    The memoirs of a dutch Jew whose neighbors hide them from the Nazi’s? They already did that one. It was called the Diary of Anne Frank.
    Oh, but NOT good enough for Mel.

  10. hafaball

    I know mel’s almost 50 and all, but why does it look like he’s aged 60 years since The Passion…I remember when he was such a cool guy, now he;s just living in obscurity, trying to offend every religion. Soon he’ll make some film about buddha actually being a dick.

  11. rivercmb

    ki,

    I’m going to play the world’s smallest violin for you this hanukkah

  12. HollyJ

    ki,

    I think you missed a dose

  13. voodoochild

    i agree with an earlier poster. no wonder saddam isn’t appearing in court today, he’s busy farting around hollywood doing movies. what a card.

  14. sst23

    rivercmb, you are scaring me.

    You can’t compare the Holocaust to any other genocide, war or historical event, because there was nothing else ever like it. The mass, systematic genocide led by a prosperous and in all other regards civilized nation? This is not your ordinary massacre. Nothing compares to it, there were no concentration camps/prisons ever operated on this scale – american concentration camps like this? Nope, it’s a Nazi thing.

    Six million Jews were killed, and that’s no small amount for a people that makes up about 0.001% of the world population.

    I have never heard any estimate that 4 million died in Auschwitz. Get your facts straight. Are you some sort of Jew-hating anti-semite? Yikes.

    Maybe you and Mel’s dad have learned from the same revisionist history textbook.

  15. ebayfan414

    rivercmb, it’s because of ignorant people like you that there is so much hate over religion. “Get over it?” Are you stupid? You don’t GET OVER something like that. Have you ever heard the term ‘History Repeats Itself?” You are supposed to remember things like that so that they never happen again.

    And get your facts straight before you come on here to be anti-semitic and offensive. I’m not going to sit here typing up holocaust facts, but at least read ss23′s post. Like he/she said, 6 million is an astronomical amount for such a tiny people.

  16. derekd

    Well said HollyJ. Religion is for weak-minded fools.

  17. rivercmb

    sst23,

  18. rivercmb

    ebayfan414,
    “it’s because of ignorant people like you that there is so much hate over religion”

    Where the hell did you get that I was religious or even making an argument for it? There’s so much hate over religion because it’s based on bullshit. If someone wants to believe in fairy tales, hell, I’ll take a hit of crack and join them in delusional town for a while.

    I

  19. rivercmb

    Sidenote

    A film about the Holocaust = Oscar

    A film about the Rwandan genocide = an invitation to the Vanity Fair afterparty

  20. becca11

    to rivercmb, it is interesting that you belittle the holocaust that happened 60 years ago… MILLIONS of jews were not tortured and murdered because they were at war with the nazis. they were dragged from their homes… for no reason… by their neighbors in their country! Maybe you can convince other people that the holocaust was no big whoop, you can gather troops, grow a little mustache, and scream your opinions into a mic with your hair moving wildy in your face, you could call yourself Hitler2

  21. becca11

    rivercomb= descendent of hitler… he wasn’t that bad, right rivrcomb? Only 1.4 millions of men women and childre were killed at that one concentration camp after all… big whoop.

  22. bunny

    sorry folks, but i’m with rivercomb on this one. there are way too many movies about the holocaust. it has nothing to do with whether or not the nazi’s atrocities were truly horrific. of course they were. nobody’s arguing that. it’s just that it’s been overdone in hollywood. way way way overdone. just mel’s feeble stab at oscar-hood.

  23. rivercmb

    becca11,

    You’re an ass. So because I refute that it was the most significant atrocity in history by putting it into a historical context, to you that means that I’m justifying and supporting it!?

    That you call me a nazi for that speaks for your own ignorance. Many people have suffered extreme atrocities throughout history, before and after WW2.

    Go back to playing volleyball bitch

  24. rivercmb

    becca11

    2 of my grandparents were taken from the English islands and put in concentration camps in Germany for 4 years. So take your Nazi claims and shove them up your prissy ass. A lot of people who weren’t jews suffered through that war.

  25. sst23

    rivercmb,

    I don’t understand why you are so annoyed by the Holocaust. It’s easy to be “annoyed” when you have no connection to what happened other than what you read or hear on TV. Are you Jewish, Indian, or Rwandan, for example? Were your relatives, like mine and Becca’s, victims?

    And, the context of the holocaust was unique, given the Jews’ place in society and socio-economic status at the time. This is not some third-world tribal warfare, or a case where one culture was so much more dominant. The Jews were fully integrated, fully westernized – many even fought in WWI for the Germans and did not identify as Jews!

    Find me another comparable event.

    P.S. I love how I feel automatically qualified to discuss this being both a Jew and a history major in college…

    P.P.S. this banter is enjoyable- thanks for indulging me!

  26. ebayfan414

    While other people have definitely suffered from the Holocaust, you can not say that “well, it’s not only Jews! Other people were in the concentration camps too!” The fact is that the whole point of the extermination camps was just that..to exterminate. Jews. Specifically. It was an agenda targeted against Jewish People. So they threw in gypsies, homosexuals, and other people too, which was horrible, but the fact remains that it was a horror aimed at the Jews.

  27. sst23

    If Rivercmb is citing neo-nazi texts as sources – be aware! I told you so! Don’t believe him!
    ——————————————–
    This is where rivercmb’s stat comes from:

    Foner’s Spotlight article made the following assertions regarding the number of people killed at the camp:

    “Like most Americans, since his youth Cole had been instructed in the “irrefutable fact” that homicidal gassings had taken place at Auschwitz. The number of those so executed – also declared irrefutable – was 4.1 million.
    Then came the Leuchter Report in 1988. This was followed by a “re-evaluation” of the total deaths at Auschwitz (down to 1.1 million). As a budding historian – and a Jew – Cole was intrigued.

    Previous to 1992, anyone who publicly doubted the 4.1 million “gassing” deaths at Auschwitz was labeled an anti-Semite, neo-nazi skinhead (at the very least). Quietly, because of revisionist findings, the official figure was lowered to 1.1 million. No mention of that missing 3 million.”
    ——————————————-

    But this Foner’s spotlight and Leuchter report are bogus. They deny the holocaust outright and are used as a source by neo-nazis and anti-semites:

    Foner’s assertions are simply not true; although it is correct to note that the Polish Communist government did claim that four million people were exterminated at Auschwitz, historians (Feig, Reitlinger, Hilberg, et al.) have never supported that figure
    ——————————————-
    And the Leuchter dude is a fraud!

    Fred A. Leuchter Jr., a self-styled expert in the machinery of death who parlayed his reputation as a builder of killing equipment into a second career as a proponent of “Holocaust revisionism,” has admitted that he is not an engineer.

    Made in a consent decree filed with a Massachusetts court last week, his admission should deal a blow to the movement holding that the Nazi extermination of 6 million Jews and others during World War II was a hoax or an exaggeration, according to experts in the field.

    The agreement also requires Leuchter to stop disseminating reports in which he purports to be an engineer, most significantly a document known as the “Leuchter Report.”

    That report, widely circulated by revisionists, asserts that gas chambers at Nazi concentration camps in Auschwitz, Birkenau and Majdanek could not have been used for mass killings because they were not big enough nor well ventilated or sealed. The assertion is based largely on chemical analysis of materials scraped surreptitiously from walls of those chambers by Leuchter during a visit to Poland in February 1988.

  28. sst23

    Rivercmb: “It was only the accepted number for nearly 50 fucking years! In 1995 the Polish government determined that the actual number of all, not just Jewish, was between 1.1-1.5 million, at most. That

  29. sst23

    and on a final note (I’m on a roll)…

    rivercmb, show me one source that has not been connected to revisionist history that supports that fact.

    Yeah!

  30. sst23

    Here is rivercmb’s source: the President of Iran!
    ——————————————
    TEHRAN (Reuters) – Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Thursday expressed doubt the Holocaust took place and suggested the Jewish state of Israel be moved to Europe.

    His comments, reported by Iran’s official IRNA news agency from a news conference he gave in the Saudi Arabian city of Mecca, follow his call in October for Israel to be “wiped off the map”, which sparked widespread international outrage.

    -Ahmadinejad was quoted by IRNA as saying: “Some European countries insist on saying that Hitler killed millions of innocent Jews in furnaces and they insist on it to the extent that if anyone proves something contrary to that they condemn that person and throw them in jail.”

    “Although we don’t accept this claim, if we suppose it is true, our question for the Europeans is: is the killing of innocent Jewish people by Hitler the reason for their support to the occupiers of Jerusalem?”

  31. ebayfan414

    sst23, you go! I love it when people actually post accurate information, for once!

    I personally find it so ridiculous that anyone can even doubt the holocaust. There’s freaking footage from the Nazis! They wanted to record everything so that they would have footage of an extinguished race. Ohhhhhh, but noooooo…all of that footage is a hoax, right? Because some bored Jews decided to somehow create HOURS and HOURS and HOURS of footage that was fake…for fun! Please, get a life, you pathetic deniers. I’m not going to say anything else about you deniers, because you’re not worth my time.

  32. rivercmb

    Did they teach you how to debate by creating straw-man arguments and act as though you have proved a point, in school?

  33. rivercmb

    ebayfan414,

  34. rivercmb

    My intial posts on this thread were sarcastic and insensitive but I was trying to keep in nature with the site. I realize that I shouldn

  35. ebayfan414

    rivercmb:

  36. ebayfan414

    rivercmb:

    “My intial posts on this thread were sarcastic and insensitive but I was trying to keep in nature with the site. I realize that I shouldn

  37. rivercmb

    I started off this debate so badly; I can see why I

  38. sst23

    Rivercmb – your last point was thorough and articulate – thanks! (I’m not being sarcastic here). I think you have some good points, and I think they came out most coherently in your last message.

    First, I didn’t realize your grandparents were victims – I wasn’t intentionally omitting that. Second, I agree that too much of anything is no good – can’t talk about any tragedy too much or it is trivialized, but it’s important to “never forget.” So that’s why talks about the holocaust and other atrocities will never end.

    As for my own tear of comments – I was on a roll. I am a lawyer, so you’ll always get an argument from me. And if I frame it in a way that stresses the bad (points of your argument) and minimizes the good – hey, that’s what I went to law school for!

    Based on your later comments, acknowledging your arguments’ flaws – I don’t think you are like the President of Iran or a neo-nazi – but, you know how things get in the heat of the moment. After all, you insulted me and my intelligence throughout your posts – even when I was trying to be light-hearted about it:

  39. BoredToTears

    Wow. Umm. Saddam has been taking on the Jews for many, many years…

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