Jack Black as Jesus in ‘Prop 8 – The Musical’

I love how gay marriage somehow leads to beastiality, incest, and paedophilia. Gay marriage is a marriage like any other – between two consenting, of age, unrelated adults.

OMG, people need to shut the hell up. Sometimes I wish free speech wasn’t an American right because some of you people are stupid as fuck!

Viva gay marriage! (oh, and children of gay parents are happier than those of straight parents, assholes!)

I like turtles.

wiggle bear, wiggle bear, wiggle bear

Dear Amy,
It appears u r not an evil stupid bitch after all! he he Unfortunately we must agree to disagree b/c this debate is becoming completely redundant.
I respect your position and i think that it is quite sad that people are spreading hate b/c whether or not u support prop 8 or not we are all humans and we should respect each other.
that said…
u must understand that comparing gay marriage to ill treatment of blacks is codswallop! sexuality is an action that people choose to partake in race is not! (no i am not arguing whether people choose to be gay, i am obvious just comparing the act of having sex) This is faulty reasoning!
1. a contract between a couple 2. consent
why a couple? What makes the perfect number two? (this is a serious question?)

Also when I responded with the age of consent I wasn’t implying that gay marriage will lead to lower the age of consent i was referring to another group of people that cannot legally get married, that is discrimination. I believe all forms of discrimination should be avoided. Gays are asking for equality so I am asking do you agree with equality for everyone or just for homosexuals? So some may not be asking for equality for all but that is my argument why not grant equality for all? I know whenever I read any fair act laws it includes age, disabilities, ethnicity, national origin, color, race, and sex.

#101 why? why are you being hateful against other groups of minorities that want to enjoy a life together without you judging them? Why are these groups considered sick and disgusting but homosexuals aren’t?

wiggle bear, wiggle bear, wiggle bear

To anyone posting in favor of prop 8 here, on the Superficial:

Gay marriage is sinful in the eyes of God, but reading and commenting on a blog whose content is generally offensive, sexually explicit, and frequently features nip slips is A-OK?

Yes, please, cast the first stone.

Wiggle Bear: The marriage contract is designed for two people in terms of the rights and responsibilities you have, both in marriage and divorce if it should happen to come to that. Things would get much more complicated with more people, and would require a different kind of contract. The responsibility of any one partner to a polygamous union is also diluted, so it really wouldn’t have the strength that mariage between a couple has.

“u must understand that comparing gay marriage to ill treatment of blacks is codswallop! sexuality is an action that people choose to partake in race is not! (no i am not arguing whether people choose to be gay, i am obvious just comparing the act of having sex)”. The interesting thing here is that the thing you currently have choice in – whether or not to engage in same-sex sexual activity – is legal, but the fundamental issue you don’t have much choice about – attraction to people of the same sex on an emotional as well as sexual level – is the issue being denied. This is where we often hear the argument “Gay people have the same rights as everyone else – they can get married to someone of the opposite sex, just like the rest of us.” But we live in a society where marriage is based (one hopes!) on love, and that is what we are fundamentally denying people – the right to enter into the most highly treasured union our society values with the person that they love. I’m sure that we can agree that marriage is about more than sex.

“I know whenever I read any fair act laws it includes age, disabilities, ethnicity, national origin, color, race, and sex. ” If only we could allow gay marriage, all those areas of possible discrimination would be covered (except age, where the issue is whether informed consent can truly be given. This isn’t unique to the decision to get married, of course, which is why I phrased it as an age of consent issue).

wiggle bear, wiggle bear, wiggle bear

Okay this is my last post on this issue i promise:
Dear Amy,
At 13 years old i was well aware of what marriage was all about and capable of informed consent.

[ In wiggletopia, a wiggle bear is allowed to marry once her/his fur has completely covered his/her body. which is approximately 10-15.]

How is it ur (or the gov’t) decision to decide whether they are old enough to consent? Is there a mind test they tells us whether or not they truly understand? If they are old enough to consent to an abortion why not marriage?

You pick and choose. you have justified that other minority groups are not allowed b/c of health reasons, consent factors, and that polygamist are 2 difficult to define. But isn’t it there decision to make? We are not arguing whether or not it would be easy or there marriages are practical or logical we are arguing equality. Or at least thats my argument, I think we are arguing two different points btw

Equality should be given to all regardless of health hazards, difficulty, and consequential factors, yes this is extreme ideology but who is to say homosexuality is right but all others are wrong. If there is no higher authority then who gets to decide what is right and what is wrong? In my book, not you, not the gov’t not anyone except the people, animals, or feces that enter into the contract.

Forget marriage what is the point just live together and promise to stay together b/c we all know no marriage works out

anyway wi wi wi wol (wiggle out loud)(for those that understand wiggle bear humor you are free to have a wiggle pie, my treat, if not then you are free to have a wiggle die, also my treat!)

with wiggle,

wiggle bear

p.s. i really like u Amy, but i’m sorry we can’t arguing any more b/c we aren’t arguing the same points and we are being redundant. I’m sorry for annoying everyone today. Have a great wiggle! One day i hope extremist can rule the world and there will be no laws 2 govern any of us! This will make us all happy and have the perfect lives! like the ones that wiggle bears in wiggletopia live!

p.s.s
I apologize for any fallacies or errors, b/c u know extremist tend to do that! also Thank u for arguing with a complete lunatic!!!!

4 the last time wiggle bear out (its always cooler the second time… YES!!!)
wiggle bear, wiggle bear, wiggle bear

Amy & Roxy – and let’s not forget that the left hand is “evil” (Matthew 25:31-34, 41 et cetera). Why Americans as a society pick & chose homosexuality to be the most evil of listed sins [personally I think women teachers (1 Timothy 2:11-12) should rank up there] is beyond me.

The whole “will of the people” referring to the vote is pretty bogus. It shouldn’t have been a voteable issue. That would be like having a public vote and decide to make homosexuality illegal. Or voting to remove property rights from married women. Hey you can stay single and still own stuff but if you’re married all your stuff is HIS :)

You can’t just one week say it’s ok for gays to marry and then take it away the next week because a larger group of people who don’t belong to the effected group decided that is how they wanted other people to live their lives.

How can you say civil unions (without a church) are legal and homosexuality is legal yet you can’t have a homosexual marriage because it’s immoral & religiously offensive?

Love the video !!! & Love my gay neighbors. :)

If we are to protect the “sanctity of marriage,” we should also probably pass a prop that outlaw’s divorce.

Right so I didn’t read hardly any of this, I just scanned at all the Bible verses and laughed. I’m gay, and I’m a catechist for OCIC at my church, so I guess that I’m ruining it for everyone in my congregation with that whole “look not on your sins but on our faith as a church thing.” At any rate, I thought I just found it interesting that so many of you all have Bibles with the word “homosexual” in it at all considering: “In the 1860s, an Austrian born Hungarian writer, Karl Maria Kertbeny, used the term ‘homosexual’ for the first time in Berlin in anthropological writings about people for whom same gender attraction defined their sexual orientation.” I didn’t realize the Bible you guys read was written in the 1860′s when women, blacks, the poor, or even the elderly struggled with rights issues across the world. But it sure explains a lot…

Oh, and to 27 I believe it was that made me wonder, who do you think will be more sorry? Myself, the homosexual Sunday school teacher and social worker who gives hand over foot to my community and congregation, or the hate mongering individuals who encourage violence, beatings, murders, and ostracizing the minorities all under the false tiding of their own version of Christianity (Let’s face it almost church to church the religion is different).

To kill a mockingbird all over again…

What´s wrong with you with bible? This is law, not everything has to be involved with religion. Just don´t go to the wedding if you don´t agrre with it, leave people alone with their decissions.

# 33 AMEN!

# 33 AMEN!

While no-one more vehemently opposes asinine political endorsements from celebrities (with the obvious exception of Mr. T.) than I, I had to admit that this wasn’t as painfully asinine as I’d expected. It was actually mildly amusing. … In the way that, you know, original musical productions staged at community colleges tend to be. And Allison Janney’s skirt was pretty. And I had no idea that Neil Patrick Harris could sing. And so nicely, too! Turns out, you learn something everyday. (And, yeah, I’m PURPOSELY steering clear of the political bullshit. I didn’t even make it as far as the election, as it was. For someone who loathes politics and the assholes who make their living in it as much as I do, this has been a TERRIBLY LONG year.)

… Jack Black was still far, FAR better as Jeepers Creepers Slacker Guy, though.

Can we all just get along and seriously solve this problem by fellatio? I mean honestly who doesn’t get distracted from their hate spewing when they are getting a “wet willy” or “willy wet”? Whatever! you know what I mean. so when you feel all mean and racisty, just grab your girl or man or someone who looks like both and have them “step up to the mic”. Trust me all your fears and hate will go away temporarily. Trust me I knowwwwww ooooohhhhhh! Whoo!

#53: “Looks like he’s been keeping all those loaves and fishes for himself.”

Hilarious! Yes, I was thinking the same thing.

Well, I think for me (as a serious and sincere Christian), seeing Christians cut-and-paste bible verses all over with reckless abandon is pretty trite. I applaud the intent (if it’s done in love), but it’s not very helpful.

One verse that I think needs to frame the entire discussion is Genesis 1:26 where it states God made humanity in His image: male and female.

Both men and women reflect (in different but beautiful ways) the image of God into the world. In that fusion of male and female (sexually speaking), the act expresses teh beauty and mystery of our divine heritage.

Parenthetically, that’ s why I believe (as many posters have noted), child NEED to be raised by a mother and father, but men and women reflect to their children different aspects of God’s character and nature, and to develop a sound and healthy self-image and God-image, children need the love, attention, affection and support that comes uniquely through both a male and female.

Well, I think for me (as a serious and sincere Christian), seeing Christians cut-and-paste bible verses all over with reckless abandon is pretty trite. I applaud the intent (if it’s done in love), but it’s not very helpful.

One verse that I think needs to frame the entire discussion is Genesis 1:26 where it states God made humanity in His image: male and female.

Both men and women reflect (in different but beautiful ways) the image of God into the world. In that fusion of male and female (sexually speaking), the act expresses teh beauty and mystery of our divine heritage.

Parenthetically, that’ s why I believe (as many posters have noted), child NEED to be raised by a mother and father, but men and women reflect to their children different aspects of God’s character and nature, and to develop a sound and healthy self-image and God-image, children need the love, attention, affection and support that comes uniquely through both a male and female.

I’ve tried to avoid engaging in religious arguments because they really are completely irrelevant to lawmaking in any society that isn’t a theocracy. However, I’d like to respond to trying_to_be_thoughtful:

“One verse that I think needs to frame the entire discussion is Genesis 1:26 where it states God made humanity in His image: male and female.”

My personal feeling on this is that WE created GOD in humanity’s image. By this I’m certainly not suggesting there is no god – I’m currently atheist, but open to the idea that my life experience may change my beliefs in future – but that the god presented in the Christian Bible is clearly man’s conception of God, and is therefore conceptualised as a sort of really big, really powerful human ruler. The conception also seems to be grounded in the accepted understanding of the universe around us at the time the Bible was written. Our increased knowledge of the vast universe makes it more difficult to believe that we have such a privileged place in the cosmos.

There are indeed arguments to be made that children do better when raised with a mother and a father, but a lot of the disadvantages in fact come, as I said above, from the prejudice children of gay couples face from (often well-meaning) others.

Perhaps even more importantly, there are already many, many children being raised by gay parents – often lost in the “Won’t Somebody Please Think of the Children?!” argument is that denying gay marriage denies these children the security that the children of heterosexual unions gain through marriage.

Again, straight males and females aren’t homogenous in the way that gender effects their parenting styles, and neither are gay parents. It is overly simplistic to say that children NEED a male and a female parent – what they need is “love, attention, affection and support”, indeed. Also, this ignores the other family (by blood or otherwise) members who may play a role in the care and socialisation of children.

I appreciate your clarity and passion Amy, but I would strongly disagree with the assertion that “the god presented in the Christian Bible is clearly man’s conception of God, and is therefore conceptualised as a sort of really big, really powerful human ruler.” That is a uniquely Greek conception of god(s) (i.e. Zeus, Apollog, etc.). The ancient Jewish/Christian texts have always used metaphors when describing god as a way to ensure God’s character and qualities are understood, but never fully comprehended (how could God be God if I could fully understand everything about God?)

The early chapters of Genesis have also been foundational to suppressed groups who are deemed (on whatever basis) as “sub-human”. I think upon a more careful reading of Scripture you’ll find that God is conceptualized as anything BUT a really big, really powerful human ruler, and that humans–all humans–are created by God for the good of the world.

And while it’s an easy assertion, the idea that “religious arguments…are completely irrelevant to lawmaking in any society that isn’t a theocracy” is a hard argument to make. All policies reflect some ultimate allegiance, some faith in someone or something that is considered by the group as worthy of trust and faith. There’s no way to get around it. In a theocracy, what that “someone” or “something” is is just explicit and (usually) grounded in specific texts. But is Western culture all that different? I’d argue that we are a theocracy with our own “sacred texts”–all laws/policies are embedded with religious/faith foundations, whether or not we are aware of it or not.

Okay, biologically speaking, there isn’t much use for body hair folks…so should we shun the particularly hirsute? People using biological arguments on either side are missing the point – WHY are we arguing over what two consenting adults are doing in their home? How does the bible have ANYTHING to do with homosexuality? If another fucknut uses the bible to say why homosexuality is wrong, I’m going to mail you a lump of shit (via UPS, of course – what can brown do for you?). The bible, if read literally, says women should be stoned to death if they are discovered to be not be a virgin. If you’ve ever gotten your “red wings,” both you and your partner should be executed, according to the bible. WTF? So, STOP using this to persecute homosexuals!!! How exactly is this harming you? Isn’t the “sanctity” of marriage being fucked up more by the mockery that is made of it by the straight people getting married for money, for sex, for everything BUT love? Explain to me, in detail, one of you anti-gay marriage people, how exactly this is destroying the fabric of your lives. Are you afraid some of their gayness will escape and infect you?

Trying_to_be_thoughtful, how can humans be said to be made in God’s image if God is not conceptualised in some way in human terms (regardless of the direction of influence)?

“All policies reflect some ultimate allegiance, some faith in someone or something that is considered by the group as worthy of trust and faith.” Laws should ideally be based on a consideration of the moral, ethical, social and physical effects they have (and yes, one can have a moral or ethical system that isn’t based on theology). It is simply unfair to deny homosexual couples the right to marry based on religious doctrine. While you and many, many others may believe that “…men and women reflect to their children different aspects of God’s character and nature, and to develop a sound and healthy self-image and God-image, children need the love, attention, affection and support that comes uniquely through both a male and female,” but it’s hard to justify that to those that don’t believe in God. In the States, they are fully allowed not to believe in the Christian God, and not be discriminated against for their belief system. And again, this doesn’t address the fact that there already thousands of children being raised by gay parents, just with more prejudice to deal with and without the legal protection that marriage would provide.

On a separate issue, that of homosexuality being biologically abnormal and therefore wrong: people say that anal sex is an unnatural use of that part of our body, but what can we make of the fact that anal sex is very pleasurable for many males and females – naturally? For many, sexual stimulation of that part of the body is inherently pleasurable, so is surely no more unnatural than the sexual pleasure caused by stimulating the female breast, for example? As long as non-procreative sex is tolerated in society, and we have access to birth control, viagra, etc, than homosexual sex can no more be condemned as unnatural than the wide variety of foreplay straight couples engage in.

To people who say that homosexuality in the natural world isn’t normal: YOU’RE TOTALLY RIGHT! It isn’t normal (as in it isn’t the norm), but having red hard also isn’t the norm. Would you restrict the rights of redheads because of the fact that they were simply born the way that they were? No? Well, then why would you in turn descriminate against gays? Oh, what’s what? People arn’t born gay? Then how come the scientific community agrees that homosexuality is naturally occuring? How did they isolate and identifiy the gay gene? Oh, that’s right? The anti-gay people happen to also be the pro-bible people who don’t care what science has to say anyway. That’s a shame. For the rest of the civillized world, we’ll stick to fact, not faith.

… just pick what works for ya, and reject what doesn’t …

Romans 13:9-10 (New International Version)

The commandments, “Do not commit adultery,” “Do not murder,” “Do not steal,” “Do not covet,”[a] and whatever other commandment there may be, are summed up in this one rule: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”[b] 10Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

a. Romans 13:9 Exodus 20:13-15,17; Deut. 5:17-19,21
b. Romans 13:9 Lev. 19:18

Scotty D, they didn’t identify any “gay gene” because there most likely isn’t one. The consensus is that there are a variety of genes at play, coupled with chemical conditions during neonatal development, that interact with environmental factors (that’s socialising, upbringing and so forth, not ,like, chemical plants or cellphone towers in the neighborhood) – i.e. nature AND nurture.

Amy, that’s right! Stop pleasing yourselves, straight gay-haters, and just get to pro-creating! No more blowjobs, handjobs, boobjobs, anal sex, sex with condoms or other birth control, lingerie, handcuffs, strip clubs, masturbation, pornography, or anything else that you might find fun sexually. After all, taint natural folks! Just get to making babies, and you women folk get ready to keep poppin’ em out every nine months. Don’t let us catch you doing any funny stuff in between baby-making though!

#102 just because you support pro gay rights doesnt make you open minded. Being open minded entails accepting all ideas to an extent not bashing the opinions of others. “children of gay parents are happier than kids with straight parents”? why would you even say that. thats not a proven fact and thats just offending a lot of people, whether they support your side or not. good job supporting a step back in our progress for equality.

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Just wanted to mention to Wigglebear who posted this quote:

“1 Cor. 6:9-10, “Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”

– the word HOMOSEXUALS was not around in bible times, you reckon the guy who “translated” it into english took some liberty’s there? hmmm..

Man this is terrible. Not only is it dishonest: it’s not even funny!

How do such funny people do such a dumb skit? I don’t care where you stand on the issue, this just isn’t that funny.

Make adultery a felony… because it says it’s bad in the bible. Teaching children to accept adulterers as equals will just cause them to want to try adultery for themselves – something they would never otherwise try.

Castration or the female version of castration (superglue?)

OUTLAW ADULTERY NOW!

there is no “God”.

I thought it was amusing and to the point.

The supporters of prop 8 had all of Hollywood against them. They were outspent by the anti-8 campaign $50million-45 million. And prop 8 still passed!

Accept it. stop whining and move on with your lives.