Sanford Police Chief: George Zimmerman Is Another ‘Sandy Hook’ Waiting To Happen

September 13th, 2013 // 95 Comments
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“Did you just reach for your gun because it looked like we were losing?”
“…. Noooo?”

When we last left George Zimmerman, his lawyer had just quit following a domestic dispute situation where George’s estranged wife Shellie accused of him going to his truck to get a gun after threatening her and her father. Which seems like an odd reason for a lawyer who just helped him duck murder charges to quit over, but did I mention he had’t been paid yet? And did I also mention, haha, you fucking idiots who contributed to the George Zimmerman Legal Defense Fund? Anyway, in the aftermath, local resident Santiago Rodriguez wrote an email to Sanford Chief of Police Steve Bracknell voicing his concerns over the police department’s handling of Zimmerman because he’s a “Sandy Hook, Aurora” waiting to happen. Remarkably, Bracknell responded and along with laying out that, yes, George Zimmerman did in fact assault Shellie’s father and they’re investigating with or without her cooperation, he actually agreed that Zimmerman is another Sandy Hook. So, fortunately, their department is on top of that before someone dies. I mean, could you imagine? Think Progress reports:

Bracknell expressed his views in response to two emails from Santiago Rodriguez, who reached Bracknell through a contact form on the police department’s website. Bracknell confirmed the emails’ authenticity to ThinkProgress and subsequently tried to distance himself from the remarks.
Rodriguez’s first email was an extended, and sometimes angry, critique of how the Lake Mary Police Department handled their response to the recent altercation between George Zimmerman, his wife and his father in law. Rodriguez told Bracknell that he had a responsibility to charge Zimmerman because he was another “Sandy Hook… waiting to happen.” Bracknell responded with a detailed defense of the police department’s conduct, but explicitly endorsed Rodriguez’s comments on Sandy Hook.

In some states authorities have the ability to grant or revoke concealed carry permits at their discretion, so you’ll probably be surprised to learn Florida is not one of those states because freedom. Which is really where my beef lies with gun fanatics because they can’t just be content with owning one, they have to make it a goddamn Wild West free-for-all. And if you try to get them to meet you in the middle on common sense gun legislation, you’ll inevitably hear “Chicago!” and some bullshit about criminals don’t follow laws, so why even bother having them when you can just give everyone a cold, steel penis of justice? And, granted, that sounds ridiculous because surely they’re drawing the line somewhere except Iowa wants to arm the blind AND THEY’RE FUCKING FOR IT. Dana Loesch and Ben Ferguson both literally woke up this week and went, “You know what? I’m going to argue that the blind should carry deadly weapons whose safety and use are exclusively dependent on sight. I feel good about this.” Is FOX News running Daredevil at night? Because that’s the only explanation I can come up with here. “Listen, all these people need to do is make sure it’s raining inside their house, and then they’re perfectly capable of safely defending themselves from the day Obama and the UN come for our guns. How clear did Ben Affleck have to make it when Jon Favreau put mustard in his coffee? C’mon.”

 

Zimmerman Lake Mary Emails by ThinkProgress

 

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  1. I’m certain that this comment thread will be a fine representation of well-reasoned and thoughtful discussion.

    • Bugs Bunny's Wrath

      Don’t use words like ‘well-reasoned’ and ‘thoughtful’ on this site again. Big words scare us. Come to think of it use ‘and’ lightly too. It doesn’t scare us. But we are a superstitious lot.

    • cc

      Ireland Baldwin’s ass.

  2. it had to be said

    No boobs? I’m confused.

  3. Carrying guns and shooting “criminals” to maintain his erection I can believe, but come on that fat fuckin’ gun nut isn’t going to go shoot up a damn elementary school.

    • JC

      Given the fact that (a) kids like Skittles, and (b) most elementary students could beat the ZimMan in a fair fist fight, I wouldn’t count out the possibility of a school shooting.

    • Mike Walker

      If he had said Hiroshima or Rape Of Nanking, fish would’ve quoted it as fact.

    • Sandy Hook was in an elementary school, Aurora was in a movie theatre. Try not to be so literal. The code word means Zimmy is a ticking time bomb and he’s going to start shooting a bunch of people sooner or later. Trayvon was his warmup.

      I said it at the time and I’ll repeat it now: the jury fucked up. Zimmerman should have gone down for murdering (that’s what he did) Trayvon Martin. Now the lardass version of Travis Bickle is roaming around with a gun in Florida. Nice job, Floridianites.

    • Yeah, worried about an over exaggerated potential shooting spree by GZ but discounts the murderous tens of thousands of criminal “African-Americans.” Which is like 40 to 1. Shut up idiots! If you think blacks have the right to beat your heads into the cement then let them!!!! You have no brains anyway!

  4. George Zman is a registered gun toting Demonrat ,Mr. Fishhead . Fish needs to stick to tits and ass . I swear he is swallowing liberals of cum daily and needs to stay out of the anti-gun and political arena. He is not well read or versed enough to have any rational opinions on the matters or George Zimmerman. Fucking NOT GUILTY.

  5. I understand your frustration. On the other hand, I get frustrated when people argue by anecdote, pointing to specific examples (e.g. Zimmerman, George) as alleged evidence of broad trends and reasons to make broad policy changes. For example, the long term trend has been a drastic decline in gun homicides:

    http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-since-1993-peak-public-unaware/

    I’m not saying that trend in itself is an argument against gun control measures, but I am puzzled by the newfound hysteria and vitriol that has entered the argument. Because internet?

    • Bryan

      It’s because the gun debate for antis has never been about facts. It’s fueled by pure emotion. It’s hilariously ironic when they complain about the right doing the same thing about abortion, and then they go and do it themselves, ignoring anything resembling reality or statistics or reasonable thought in favor of parading dead children around. Last December, the turning point was that they had a bunch of affluent WHITE children to use as an emotional sledgehammer for once. It makes the sales pitch a lot easier if the victims look like you and your children, Mr. and Mrs. Affluent White People in Control of the National Discourse.

      The rare times antis do go for the “well, statistics show…” route, they have to use biased activist groups like the Violence Policy Center or David Hemenway to massage the data beyond recognition until it fits their narrative. Might as well use the Heritage Foundation’s stats to prove Republicans are right about blacks being lazy or something.

      • By the same token, I don’t think the Pro argument of “give everyone a gun and let them carry wherever and whenever they want” will result in a safer society. There is really no data to support that and in fact, when that nut went off in Arizona, even guys who were carrying couldn’t stop him.
        I don’t have a problem with gun ownership, but I also don’t have a problem with the “well regulated” bit in the 2nd Amendment.

      • Bryan

        “Give everyone a gun” is at worst a straw man, and at best a minority held opinion in the pro-gun community. In any event, it isn’t fair to use the pro-side’s idiot’s opinions as if those are the only answer we’re offering. Is the only reasonable answer to global warming to shut down all manufacturing and corporations and go live in the forests, as some hippies would suggest? No, of course not, the left has reasonable alternative answers that aren’t stupid.

        Second, concealed carry isn’t necessarily about stopping mass shooters. It could happen (shootings are *astoundingly* rare to begin with, and expecting there to be a CHL at one who will have the opportunity to stop it is asking a lot), but it’s more about personal protection for those most likely to need it. Battered wives, minorities on “the wrong side of town,” etc. Who is better at knowing whether Julie’s abusive ex-boyfriend will try to hurt/kill her: Julie, or Dianne Feinstein? Who is better at knowing whether Omar, a gay black man, will get jumped and beaten walking home from the late shift at work in rural Alabama: Omar, or Michael Bloomberg? (Hint: Two of these answers are those of an authoritarian statist.)

        Finally, if this were some alternate reality where you could see the future and knew that you’d be in a movie theater when some psycho comes in shooting, but you could do nothing to avoid being there, would you REALLY not want there to be the option of maybe someone else having a gun to stop him? Maybe *you* having a chance to stop him before he killed 30 people? I know I’d rather have something resembling an option, rather than being another helpless fish in the barrel. (BTW, police firearm training is tragically laughable, so a CHL with a gun is basically on the same level as a plainclothes officer in this situation – if you’d like to have a cop in that theater, you’re saying you’d be okay with a CHL holder.)

        It’s not about having everybody carry a gun, it’s comes down to you deciding if *you* want/need that option. So far, there have been no rivers of blood to show that CHL carry is what antis in the 90s said it would be, so there’s objectively no reason to remove it from our legal framework.

      • I think we both agree that some kind of regulation is in order. Even CC…I think people shuold be required to get trained, pass a background check, etc. before getting a permit.

        Personally, I don’t know that I would want one. I thought about it, but it is a HUGE responsibility to go out into the public armed. Even if you are in the right, you may still wind up taking a life and your life will never be the same.
        But you’re right, the extreme opinions on both sides of the argument do nothing to find a workable solution

      • Bryan

        I don’t really even support strict regulation on CHLs. The only beneficial part to CHL classes are the legal primers on justified use of force. As demonstrated by the scores of police officers who empty entire magazines without hitting their target in the heat of the moment, any practical skills testing that would be effective would have to be weeks of force-on-force training, beyond the scope of even what law enforcement does. This would essentially amount to a ban on concealed carry for those who can’t afford the cost, in money or time.

        The thing is, concealed carry is not an academic hypothetical anymore. Back in the 90s, antis hysterically foretold that loose CHL laws would wind up with shootouts over parking spots and other fantastical Wild West scenarios. It just hasn’t happened. Arizona and a few other states of constitutional carry, which means you don’t need any training whatsoever – if you suddenly have a bad breakup with your abusive boyfriend, you don’t have to enroll in and take a class 3 months from now, you can start carrying a gun in your purse without a permit. Notably, these states have NOT seen shootouts, wanton shooting sprees, etc.

        (BTW, bad guys who want to rob a liquor store or shoot up a post office don’t care about concealed carry laws and permits – what’s “Misdemeanor: Carrying without a permit” on top of “1st Degree Murder” charges?)

        It’s great that you decided for yourself you don’t need to carry, and nobody is asking you to. What’s NOT right is when privileged white people say that because they don’t ever feel threatened, nobody does, and therefore, nobody needs an option to protect themselves. Your life is literally everything you will ever have in this universe, and you shouldn’t let someone in circumstances completely different from yours be able to tell you that you can’t defend it.

      • GOLLLLL-YYYYYY…can’t you guys write few more volumes of drivel? Most of us have no life anyway, and sitting here reading volumes of bullshit helps fill in the time until we all drop dead.

      • Bryan

        Wrong opinions? On the internet?? Not on MY watch, buddy!

        Furthermore,

    • asdasda

      the only trends people associate zimmerman with are those relating to stand your ground. youre straw manning.

  6. dunkydoo

    yeah, well someone just set himself up for a massive defamation lawsuit. comparing zimmerman to that baby killing adam lanza is irresponsible and just wrong.

  7. Hugh Jass

    Jesus Christ, another Zimmerman post? Hasn’t Paris Hilton gotten out of a car lately?

  8. Bonky

    Gun nuts supported him all along and now suddenly they hate him because he’s a democrat. Pretty swift way to dump him, but nobody is gonna forget how them nuts felt up until now.

  9. ruckus

    His lawyer quit the day the coroner released a statement saying that there was no way Treyvon was on top of GZ when the gun was fired.

    • OMara still represents George in the NBC lawsuit. George has a jealous ex wife and new girlfriend and black body guard and soon lots of fucking money. Not bad for taking down a thug in the making that attacked him.

  10. How about this scenario: a wannabe superhero went out looking for trouble, and found it against a wannabe villain, also out for the same reason.

  11. Mitch Haase

    Hey Fish! If you want to jump into the political fray you should probably educate yourself and take on the real issues.

    How about commenting on the record numbers of black and black murder – they’re offing themselves in record numbers and the media ignores it, and you will to I am sure.

    How about the fact the blacks make up 13.6% of the population yet account for almost 40% of the prison population.

    I won’t even touch on the black on white hate crimes that are occurring every day in increasing numbers. The media likes to ignore that too.

    Stick to tits and ass because that’s all you know about.

    Mitch

    • malaka

      blah blah blah bullshit bullshit bullshit.
      all you need is the last sentence mitch.
      please take all that asinine rhetoric and shove it back up your anus from whence it came.
      otherwise, i concur. we all come here to laugh at pregnant trainwrecks and stare at cleavage.
      fish is a talented writer, but imho he should have an entirely separate blog dedicated to hot button divisive politics.
      he could probably have his own cable news show, but then he might have to wear pants unless he’s always behind a desk.
      and who really wants to wear pants?

      • Mitch Haase

        The truth hurts, doesn’t it Malaka.

        Face it, blacks are running rampant like a bunch of armed, angry children jacked up on low grade mexican speed. You ignorant liberals ignoring that fact just look even more like ignorant liberals.

        It’s science.

      • Unless we’re still counting eugenics as a discipline, it’s not science.

    • Bryan

      More importantly, Fish should understand that you don’t have to be oblivious to race politics like Mitch is to support gun rights. Fish’s biggest problem is that he is inextricably wrapped up in BS culture war stuff fed to him by ThinkProgress, DailyKos, etc. Supporting gun rights is 100% compatible with, and in fact, fully consistent with, left wing progressive politics. It’s just that it’s become a matter of “backwoods rednecks (aka conservatives) support this; therefore, I must despise it.” Gun rights supporters are just as bad about this, and the entrenched tribalism is really the biggest problem concerning the issue today.

    • Come to think of it, we’ve never actually seen Fish’s credentials for presenting tits & ass! Do you have a copy of your parody license? A nip-slip permit? Animated GIF operator’s certification? I would hate to think that we are all unknowingly clicking on links that do not have any kind of reasonable regulatory checks and balances attached with them. Think of the CHILDREN!

    • “How about the fact the blacks make up 13.6% of the population yet account for almost 40% of the prison population.”

      How about it?

      Proves the War On Drugs and the entire American justice system is racially biased.

      • Veronica, you could suggest that they look at the gap in sentencing of whites vs. everyone else that contributes to the over-representation of minorities in prison. Any number of examinations of crime vs. sentencing reports point out the disparity of sentencing for the same crimes.

        It certainly much easier to justify racial intolerance if you just blindly point out that black convicts make up x percentage of prisoners. You can just call them a bunch of animals and never have to think about anything.

      • Fucking. Thank you. Veronika.

      • How about this little tidbit to NOT support your liberal fantasies. 13.6% of the population yet responsible for 38% of US Homicides. Completely unrelated to the 40% prison population, but isn’t it interesting they closely match. Thank You Jester!

  12. malaka

    the guy is a chode. but cmon.. we’re all bored of this story.
    fish is obviously exploiting this garbage as a click magnet.
    i think that i’m speaking for just about everyone when i say, please show us more pregnant titties!!

  13. I do get a giggle out of listening to people who dwell in one of our nation’s urban murder-holes breathlessly proclaiming their fear of becoming “The Wild West”.

  14. Dailymail EXCLUSIVE: George Zimmerman’s blonde ‘babe’ by his side when he confronted estranged wife in violent divorce showdown.
    FISH POST HER TITS AND QUIT DREAMING OF BLOWING THE ZMAN.

  15. I don’t get it. Isn’t he a bit old for high school?

  16. Man, I hope no one tells the Zim Man about this thing.

    http://www.slidefire.com/

    I think he and Jon Gosselin should get matching ones in Ed Hardy Blue when they’re waiting tables together.

    (I couldn’t make this shit up if I tried.)

  17. I think Fish is just jealous that Zimmerman got away with smashing his ex’s Ipad. What’s on your ex’s Ipad Fish? WHAT ARE YOU HIDING?

    ….and he needed a hit of Z-Crack.

  18. If it walks like a duck it’s a duck:

    Evil wears many faces, while black folks are the first to cry racism, they are the last to see the evil face of bigotry in their own….

    Another story, another time, 1994 the O.J. Simpson trial and verdict, while many whites shook their heads, 88% of black folks cheered. With approximately 90% of whites angrily protesting he is guilty and 88% blacks saying his is not-guilty…don’t you see the irony, fast forward to the before and after Zimmerman case…So what’s different here? The what is, smells like the stench of bigoted hypocrisy, black newspapers, D.J’s, like Michael Basiden argued that mainstream media had been biased towards O.J…

    .These same individuals which argue and proclaim racism to those who support George Zimmerman…and use terms like right-winged racists, to vilify. Nonetheless probably were among the ones who cheered on the not-guilty verdict….Eighty-eight percent of black folks cheered when O.J. was acquitted, but veered at those who supported George Zimmerman, tell me how is this so, when the “pot certainly can’t call the kettle black”.

    These same black folk vociferously argued that O.J. was being set-up framed used the “Mob theory” as scapegoat to exonerate Simpson…But of course they aren’t racist, or bigots, because black folk can’t be racist or bigots’.. But for every Zimmerman supporter lays a seed of racism, while for those 88% black folk who supported O.J.’s acquittal it’s justice served….So please explain to me why is it O.K. for 88% of black folk to rally and cheer for this murderers acquittal, which they will vehemently argue he didn’t do it, nevertheless, those who rally in favor of George Zimmerman have to be ‘racist’, right-winger bigots?

    There exists bigotry in all races, which from judging or examining these two cases is apparent…that that 88% of black folks are the worst kind of bigots…What they are saying, that 88%, it is O.K. for someone black to murder, a white, Jew, Hispanic, etc…and in our minds he will always be not-guilty, notwithstanding evidence. But Lord and behold, if someone, white, Jewish, Hispanic, etc…was to murder or kill someone black even in self-defense, or defending one’s home, etc…he is automatically a ‘bigoted racist’, who hates blacks….

  19. CaribbeanLMo

    I usually never comment here because you guys are fuckng scary. But I have to say that I think that fish writes and publishes these Zimmerman posts naked and covered in peanut butter while mumbling to himself ” I am the greatest trolololololo of all time! “Seriously I think that he just posts them cause you guys foam at the mouth and projectile vomit.

    Well played Senor fish

    • Bryan

      I used to think that, too, but it turned out that Fish is just really proud of some of his uninformed opinions.

      • CaribbeanLMo

        Well that’s fine too, not nearly as fun but fine.

      • Bryan

        Yeah, I straight up said almost the same thing as you and he responded, “No, I just think gun laws in the US are retarded. Because they are.”

        *eyeroll*

      • That stuff with the peanut butter absolutely happens. As for gun laws:

        Arming the blind.
        Concealed carry in bars.
        Stand your ground.
        Gun show loopholes.

        And I seriously should’ve just stopped at the first one because again: ARMING. THE. BLIND.

        But, you’re right, nothing retarded there.

      • Pretty sure the arming the blind thing isn’t as much about arming the blind as much as it’s about the law allow not specifically banning the blind to arm themselves. Granted, blind folks with guns sounds like a not so bright idea, but it also stretches out of the 2nd amendment realm and into the ADA’s jurisdiction.

        Somehow I’ll doubt we’ll get to see the SuperFish jump up on the soapbox to moan and bitch about how “retarded” the American’s with Disabilities Act is, even though the irony of it would be splendid.

      • Also, before somebody pisses themselves and mentions that the blind fuckers can’t get a driver’s license…. driver’s licenses aren’t any sort of constitutionally guaranteed right whereas guns are, even if you don’t like it.

      • Bryan

        1. Arming the blind? Seems dumb, sure, especially when the media runs articles making it sound like every blind person is out there packing heat now. How many have actually pursued a CHL? Do you know their specific circumstances? How many innocents have they murdered so far? (USDA’s point is a fine one, too.)

        2. Another blood-in-the-streets fantasy for antis to shriek about. First, a lot of states still explicitly forbid concealed carry in a bar (note that this law only affects those who care about such laws; some thug from The Departed is still going to carry in bars). Second, surprise surprise, Wild West scenarios of shootouts over pool games have not happened with licensed carriers. Curiously, in Virginia, gun violence decreased when legal licensed carry was expanded to bars. Huh! http://www.wnd.com/2011/08/334117/

        3. Stand your ground says that if someone is attacking you in a public place, you can protect yourself. It’s the same thing as defense at home, but it covers you legally when you’re doing some other innocuous law-abiding activity. It is not fool-proof and applicable to every case; you usually have several hoops to jump through just to prove that SYG applies. Can it be abused? Sure, every once in a while, but anything can be abused. Where’s your moral outrage against open abortion laws? Dr. Kermit Gosnell proves that legalized abortion is retarded as much as Zimmerman proves whatever asinine point you think you’re making.

        4. I’m not even going to waste time on this, I’ve already typed too many words on this celebrity boob blog. “Gun show loophole” is a media buzzword for private party transactions and anyone who uses it seriously is already totally plastered from the spiked Koolaid CNN has been serving them.

      • Fish, why is there Braille on the ATM machine of the drive thru?

  20. LIck My Asshole

    *yawn* More liberal dick sucking going on. Wake me up when this guy is actually convicted of something besides being the wrong color.

  21. I Missed a Zimmerman Post?

    Good God, fish. Could you please send out email alerts for your Zimmerman diatribes? Enquiring minds want to know. So, who’s winning: the conservatives or liberals. Either way, I’m sure they are all figuratively slamming their self-righteuos heads against the wall. It’s like a cage match for pseudo intellectuals!

    P.S. Nobody with a life gives a fuck about Zimmerman anymore.

    • Yet here you are anyway

      • Hell Yeah I'm Here Fuckstick!

        Yes, I am. Hey, just because I’m sick of the Zimmerman crap doesn’t mean I don’t come to the site, even though it is less and less lately. By the way, I didn’t read the comments. I just assumed it was the same old shit. Hell, you could cut and paste this thread from the other Zimmerman posts and it would read the same.

        I actually think it’s amusing at this point. This subject has become the new gay marriage and abortion issues. Everyone praddles on and on but noone really has any kind of viable solution. It’s devolved to bitchy banter. It reminds me of my parents going at each other at the dinner table. One poses a really good position (whether pro or con Zimmerman) and the other calls them an asshole lib or racist fuck.

        I geuss it’s human nature. The reason I made my closing comment is that none of you self-sanctimonious fucks gives a shit about Zimmerman, Martin, guns, or racism. You are just bored and like to fight. Hey, me too. At least I admit it.

  22. henry hill

    Enough w/ Zimmerman. I read this site to escape. If you want to talk NEWS, talk about the NSA, Benghazi, Syria, the IRS, naked body scanners, total police state tyranny, full spectrum dominance and continuity of agenda by both parties.

    So, show me the tits.

    • Ripley's Believe It Or Not

      Did Zimmoron put a gun to your head and force you to read this post? The unmistakable shot of Zimmoron’s mug clearly warned you in advance what all those black letters below his pic were going to add up to communicating.

      This is the most asinine complaint that repeatedly appears on this site. If you don’t care for the political posts, skim right fucking by them. It isn’t exactly rocket science.

  23. Tonight it’s raining on the angels of the city
    Did anyone prophesize these people?
    Only Travis
    Come in Travis!!!!!
    All the animals come out at night. Queens, fairies, dopers,
    Junkies. Sick, venal. Some day a real rain will come and
    Wash all the scum off the streets.
    Thank God for the rain to wash the trash off the sidewalk.
    Listen, you screwheads! Here is a man who would not take
    It anymore. A man who stood up against the scum, the
    Filth. Now I see it clearly. –Red Angel Dragnet by The Clash

    “Listen, you fuckers, you screwheads. Here is a man who would not take it anymore. A man who stood up against the scum, the cunts, the dogs, the filth, the shit. Here is a man who stood up.”

  24. I love that people don’t get the irony yet. What a tremendous thread!

  25. eh

    I think they meant the next Hurricane Sandy, not Sandy Hook. And I can just take a moment to denounce every asshole who writes to his local police department to demand that somebody else be charged with some crime? Mind your own fucking business, and next time you see something, shove it up your ass.

  26. Don’t you know whitey, the libtards say you have the duty to let blacks bash your heads into the cement. Fighting back is RACISSSS! My God, you are sickos.

  27. why wont this guy just lay low?

  28. Hannah

    Let me just say that I live in Sanford, FL, and I just cannot get used people giving a damn about the area. I shop at the same Super Target that George Zimmerman does. I could run into this dude at any time. It’s all so weird.

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