Gary Oldman’s Career Was Fun (1982 – 2014)

June 24th, 2014 // 132 Comments
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In the latest issue of Playboy, Gary Oldman gives what is otherwise a goddamn awesome and candid interview about his career that unfortunately no one will go back and read because halfway through he decides to say Mel Gibson was right about the Jews and Alec Baldwin should be able to call the paparazzi cocksucking fags without everyone getting all uppity. Two people, who for the record, Gary Oldman brought up on his own, so go ahead and put down your, “Man, I hate these stupid gotcha questions” guns:

PLAYBOY: Mel Gibson?
PLAYBOY: What do you think about what he’s gone through these past few years?
OLDMAN: [Fidgets in his seat] I just think political correctness is crap. That’s what I think about it. I think it’s like, take a fucking joke. Get over it. I heard about a science teacher who was teaching that God made the earth and God made everything and that if you believe anything else you’re stupid. A Buddhist kid in the class got very upset about this, so the parents went in and are suing the school! The school is changing its curriculum! I thought, All right, go to the school and complain about it and then that’s the end of it. But they’re going to sue! No one can take a joke anymore.
I don’t know about Mel. He got drunk and said a few things, but we’ve all said those things. We’re all fucking hypocrites. That’s what I think about it. The policeman who arrested him has never used the word nigger or that fucking Jew? I’m being brutally honest here. It’s the hypocrisy of it that drives me crazy. Or maybe I should strike that and say “the N word” and “the F word,” though there are two F words now.
PLAYBOY: The three-letter one?
OLDMAN: Alec calling someone an F-A-G in the street while he’s pissed off coming out of his building because they won’t leave him alone. I don’t blame him. So they persecute. Mel Gibson is in a town that’s run by Jews and he said the wrong thing because he’s actually bitten the hand that I guess has fed him—and doesn’t need to feed him anymore because he’s got enough dough. He’s like an outcast, a leper, you know? But some Jewish guy in his office somewhere hasn’t turned and said, “That fucking kraut” or “Fuck those Germans,” whatever it is? We all hide and try to be so politically correct. That’s what gets me. It’s just the sheer hypocrisy of everyone, that we all stand on this thing going, “Isn’t that shocking?” [smiles wryly] All right. Shall I stop talking now? What else can we discuss?

Actually, it would be pretty okay if Jews had some shit to say about Germans because, oh I dunno, genocide, but things like context and nuance aren’t exactly Commissioner Gordon’s strong suit. A role that was nothing but a paycheck to him, by the way, like half of his career including The Fifth Element. (I’m sorry, Photo Boy.)

OLDMAN: More and more, people in this culture are able to hide behind comedy and satire to say things we can’t ordinarily say, because it’s all too politically correct.
PLAYBOY: Do you have something in mind?
OLDMAN: Well, if I called Nancy Pelosi a cunt—and I’ll go one better, a fucking useless cunt—I can’t really say that. But Bill Maher and Jon Stewart can, and nobody’s going to stop them from working because of it. Bill Maher could call someone a fag and get away with it. He said to Seth MacFarlane this year, “I thought you were going to do the Oscars again. Instead they got a lesbian.” He can say something like that. Is that more or less offensive than Alec Baldwin saying to someone in the street, “You fag”? I don’t get it.
PLAYBOY: You see it as a double standard.
OLDMAN: It’s our culture now, absolutely. At the Oscars, if you didn’t vote for 12 Years a Slave you were a racist. You have to be very careful about what you say. I do have particular views and opinions that most of this town doesn’t share, but it’s not like I’m a fascist or a racist. There’s nothing like that in my history.

What’s hilarious about these examples is Alec Baldwin is a liberal and got nailed to the fucking wall. But considering Gary Oldman spent the paragraph before this blowing Charles Krauthammer, there’s literally no point in trying to explain any of this to them, but I’ll try anyway. Watch me say these words that come next: Kike spic nigger banana faggot. See, I can say that because of satire which does count because I’m not purposefully using them to perpetuate an ideal that someone is lesser than me and therefore should be deprived of basic human rights. But when Mel Gibson or Alec Baldwin comes frothing out of their house, screaming “Goddamn cocksucking Jews!” that’s angry old men who can’t understand the changing world around them and still want to exert their now-dwindling superiority as straight white males. But you know what? They don’t have to change because they’re going to die soon anyway and life will move on. Sort of like how you at a young age looked at old people like your father who worked as a welder and went, “I’m going to do things differently.” It’s life, man. The young overthrow the old, and there’s nothing any of us can do about it. I’m going to be stabbed by a Belieber at some point because that’s the price of living in a society with YouTube videos. Change is a motherfucker.

UPDATE: And here’s the apology which must be shocking coming from a “real man” who doesn’t give a shit about PC-pussies. Amirite?

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  1. Jacquestrap

    But Fish, he is libertarian. Does this stuff piss you off?

    • Kojak

      Oldman is right…
      This “politicaly right” era isn’t better in anything.
      And i quit this site.
      You have the liberty to atack religion, the pope, music you don’t like, but no one can said anything about jews, racial issues or gender…
      And by the way, i’m jewish, and i prefer no mercy than people that are polite in front of me, but inside hate me.

      • I'm Scout and I need a bra.

        First of all, you are not quitting this site, so please stop with all of that. Listen, I support freedom of speech 100%, but you and Oldman seem to forget one thing: People have this nasty little condition called “feelings”. Oldman, and everyone else in the country has the absolute right to express their point of view. This, of course, doesn’t mean that the mean old hurt-feeling people aren’t going to get pissed off by it. Oldman doesn’t piss me off with what he said. Do you know what really pisses me off? What pisses me off is the little right wing paranoid assholes that are trying to sell America on the idea that freedom of speech, as well as freedom of religion are being curtailed in this country because of the hurt feeling people. What they need to remember is that Gibson never went to jail for what he SAID. He was arrested for what he DID. Oldman didn’t drink a gallon of Jack Daniels and drive a hummer while doing that interview, so he won’t be arrested for SHIT. Oh, while I’m at it, no sky God selling grifter has ever been arrested for their statements, but if you piss off enough people, you are going to get a little backlash. It’s called backlash. It’s how people realized that the Nazis were kind of horrible and needed to be stopped. You cannot not just spout off like some asshole and expect no reaction. That hole “get over it” argument really wears thin with me. People that say that are really saying “It doesn’t refer to me so you need to get over it.!” Oh, and if you are really a “get over it” devotee, I’m sure you’re right as rain when the Westboro Baptist Church protests. I bet your like “It’s just some signs, people need to get over it.” How about getting over the fact that you need to go fuck yourself.

  2. cc

    Well, this certainly comes as a surprise.

  3. ManWhoHasSeenAVagina

    Banana? A new racial slur? Please, do tell, to what group does that refer? It’s not the asian one, is it? Because that only applies (as an insult) when used by an asian against another asian.

    I’m with Gary on the political correctness is bullshit part, but the teaching fairy tales in science classes is seriously fucked up. I had no idea he had gone off the rails like this. The Krauthammer, which I didn’t read but I’ll take your word on it, stuff is quite disturbing too.

    I was hoping to see him reprise his George Smiley role. Oh well…

  4. Greg

    Oldman rocks!

  5. Guest.

    Seriously…it’s like he managed to shove his foot so far into his mouth that it came out his ass and kicked him.

  6. Cock Dr

    “but we’ve all said those things”
    No we haven’t.

    • This was the part where he really lost me. Such a shame. He was one of my all-time favourites. :(

      • Jushtan

        Obviously he wasn’t referring to every single person alive or that ever lived. it’s a generality statement, and when used in such context it is true.

        Just don’t take things too literal, I feel that was kind of his point. It seems that everyone takes one little thing about someone and proceeds to judge the person off of a few words or one little thing about them when in reality they don’t have the slightest clue and are happy with their ignorance and dysrationalia.

      • Of course it wasn’t literal, but it’s still argumentum ad populum. He was still basically saying it’s okay for them to say this shit in public because everyone says it in private anyway, and that people are just too PC and can’t take a joke. The problem with that is that the things they were saying weren’t jokes, not everyone is saying those things in private, and even if they *were*, that doesn’t make it okay. The fact that ‘other people do it’ doesn’t make it right.

        If someone is harassing me constantly, yes, I would get pissed off. I might threaten to beat the ever-living shit out of you if you don’t leave me alone, I might call you an obnoxious asshole or a piece of shit motherfucker, but at no point would I start using racial/homophobic slurs, because they have nothing to do with my frustration and are wholly unwarranted and out of place unless at some level you believe them.

    • AllHailCockDr

      You’ve managed to make it to adulthood without ever once firing off a childish, unfair insult in your entire life?

      Congratulations, you’re the first! I now pronounce you King of all Humanity!

    • Mr. FU

      ‘No we haven’t . . . ” what? Coming from a Log In ‘Cock Dr.’ I think your comment is funny.

      I think what Oldman is saying is that we all, at some point in our lives, have said something disparaging regarding another one.

      Whether it be race, sexuality, religion or whatever. I don’t think he’s defending Gibson or Baldwin’s right to be a bigot or racist. He’s saying that from time to time, people say dumb things that they regret and that one moment cancels all the good that person has done.

      I’m all for people wanting to protect the downtrodden and make a stand against oppression of those who are different (because I am the first to be made fun of). But come on with this PC crap.

      Remember the old playground line ‘Sticks and stones will break my bones, but names will never hurt me?” That’s basically what he’s saying. The rest is just other projecting crap. Just like Mark Cuban’s comment about hoodies in the context of this same conversation. The only person who should have been offended is the Travon Martin family, but 1 line in his diatribe about PC and everyone having some prejudice is tosses because of the same sensitivity outlined here.

      And there’s no way, with a name like Cock Dr. that you have NEVER said anything offensive to anyone.

  7. “They don’t have to change because they’re going to die soon anyway and life will move on.”

    Still worthy of a long winded bitch every time tho, amiright?

    • Charmed

      re: Fish having a blowhard rant every time. My thoughts exactly.

      Oldman doesn’t even come off badly in this article; he isn’t crying out “Yay, racism!” he’s saying “Everyone’s a cunt in their own way. Get the fuck over it already.”

  8. Balls Mcgee

    Nancy Pelosi is a giant cunt.

    • Wow, the Actual 4 people in America that like the lady down voted you.

    • Cunt is a pretty harsh word for Pelosi. She’s awful at her job, the things she says and does are dangerous for the country, and she should’ve been replaced as minority leader long ago, but cunt isn’t the right word for her.

      Clueless old windbag is probably more accurate.

      • Clueless? Her and her husband have reaped hundreds of millions, if not billions, in business deals around her career in legislature. Calling that troglodyte a ‘cunt’ is an understatement to what she truly is.

      • ajp

        Curiously she’s a shabbat goy who speaks fluent yiddish so Oldman hit a home run there too.

  9. Kelly

    “The young overthrow the old, and there’s nothing any of us can do about it. I’m going to be stabbed by a Belieber at some point because that’s the price of living in a society with YouTube videos. Change is a motherfucker.”

    Those last three sentences…as a writer, they gave me a tingle in my special spot.

  10. “Actually, it would be pretty okay if Jews had some shit to say about Germans because, oh I dunno, genocide.”

    Right, right…. Germans = Nazis…. Good thing that wasn’t almost 70 years ago. I guess I’m not surprised since your white ass is feeling guilty as fuck about slavery.

    • I’m a Jew and I have never used the word “Kraut” or “Hun” or referred to Germans as anything other than “Germans”…okay, maybe “Deutschies,” but I don’t think that’s offensive. Anyway, the idea that “Kraut” is on the same level as the n-word (or “kike,” for that matter) is ridiculous, and even more ridiculous is Oldman’s apparent belief that everyone says the n-word and other slurs privately. I can’t swear that I’ve never said that word in my entire life, but I’m certain that I’ve never uttered it as an adult.

  11. Oldman’s right.

  12. JC

    Whenever someone says something like “PC fascists gone crazy!” my brain just automatically translates it to, “I’m angry because I can’t use racial slurs with no consequence!”

    Seriously, put all of the racial stuff aside: How hard is it to just call someone what they want to be called? Is it really difficult to use the three neurons it’s required (assuming you have three) to just repeat a non-slur name someone’s told you? If met Gary Oldman and insisted on calling him “GarGar,” he’d probably get annoyed. Why? Because he probably prefers to be called by his actual name, and if I refuse, I’m being an annoying asshole.

    • I had this same argument with someone over white people wearing sacred Native American headdresses as a costume.

      A lot of Native Americans said this is offencive to them. The response from the white folks wearing the garb was “No, it’s not.” They kept insisting it wasn’t offencive even though Native Americans explained to them that white people wearing sacred headdresses was the equivalent of white people wearing blackface and eating watermelon.

      Didn’t make a dent.

      My contribution to the argument was that if someone says “What you are doing or saying is deeply offencive to me, and I’d like you to please stop,” you can just *stop doing it*. Or keep doing it, but please don’t say that it’s *not* offencive. That’s telling other people how they feel.

      Mel Gibson’s anti-Semitic rant came from his deeply weird upbringing as a religious fundamentalist (his father is *real* piece of work) and Alec Baldwin’s use of the word “faggot” or “fag” (whichever) is likely not because he’s an irredeemable homophobe because he’s got a wee problem with controlling his anger and that was the first slur that jumped to his mind. He has many others in his repertoire, never fear.

      Oldman’s career isn’t over, by the way. Oldman is a character actor, not a star, and “disappears” into his roles. As long as he turns in good work and doesn’t publicly denounce Jews as “Christ killers”, he’s probably safe.

      Hollywood isn’t run by Jews, by the way. Sure, all eight major film studio executives are Jewish, but that’s just a coincidence. These folks are run by money and that wouldn’t change if they were Jewish or Gentile: a studio executive has to have “winners” at the box office or he/she is finished. Money is what runs Hollywood.

      • By the way, I’m far left of “liberalism” (I’m a Socialist who believes that banks and all public works should be publicly owned, for example) but I feel sorry for Mel Gibson. What’s clear is that Mel is a tortured man who is really sick in his head and in his heart. Mel seems to have gotten a bit better and I wonder if his “sugar tits” moment (everybody forgets about his misogynistic comment made at the same time as his anti-Semitic comment) wasn’t the moment that his facade crumbled and he could finally confront his true self–the first step to getting better. What’s really eating at Gibson is anybody’s guess, but it’s been my observation that the children of religious fundamentalists rarely grow into happy adults.

        As for Baldwin: Alec Baldwin is just an asshole. He’s not a tortured soul, just an ordinary everyday asshole. Well, at least the rude, thoughtless little pig and Fake Yoga Instructor (and his dogs) love him, so that’s something.

    • John

      From now on I want to be referred to as “King of the Universe and Master of All”. If someone does not call me by that name, everyone should assume they are racist, sexist, homophobic scum and they should be shunned by society.

      But, it’s a symptom of our time. We no longer reference the objective, we reference the subjective. We do not refer to something as it is, we refer to something as it *feels*. A gender is no longer a matter of biology–it is how people perceive themselves.

      The Enlightenment (Kant) taught us that there is no such thing as the objective and our perception is all we can know. Since then everything has moved away from describing a shared reality to describing our perceptions of reality. The natural consequence is that others expect you to share their perceptions of reality–ironically leading back to reliance on a shared view of reality which they no longer hold.

      • Oh let’s leave Immanuel Kant out of this, especially as you’ve wildly misrepresented his philosophy of phenomenology and ontology (all Kant stated was that we don’t have direct experience of objects, but rather experience them as mediated by our senses–but you left “pure reason” out of the equation, which is key to Kantian philosophy).

        One big problem with your argument: your request to be called that ridiculous title has nothing to do with this debate. The debate is, not what we should call people but what we shouldn’t call people. Calling people words that have been widely and historically identified as ethnic/racist/sexist slurs is just stupid and rude.

      • JC

        Can I call you “King” for short? But besides that, someone refusing to call you by your chosen nickname does not, in fact, constitute racism, homophobia, or other societal ills. Referring to you using a slur would, though. You’re trying to push this to an extreme case that no one would argue is meaningful, a lot like the people who equate gay marriage with eventually everyone in society fucking their pets.

        I mean, hey, quote Kant all you want, but “just not being a dick” is a lot simpler than debating shared vs. objective reality. Seriously, it’s just that simple. I don’t have to share someone’s entire perception of reality to understand that they might not like to be called an offensive name. Sure, if someone thinks the word “green” is offensive, there’s not much we can do about that because the offensiveness of “green” simply doesn’t exist for the world at large. But people feeling entitled to use slurs out of some mangled understanding of freedom of speech or “words are just words” or whatever nonsense ignores the fact that the members of (thinking) society all understand that, unlike “green,” slurs are coined and intended to be offensive and hurtful, and it only takes the teeny, tiniest little bit of respect for another human being to not use them.

      • Short version: Next time somebody says “There is no objective experience” I’m going to kick them as hard as I can in the crotch while shouting “Your experience of this is entirely subjective and unique to you!”.

        Shorter version: Don’t be a Kant. (And yes, it’s pronounced “Kunt”–it’s German don’t you know).

      • “I mean, hey, quote Kant all you want, but “just not being a dick” is a lot simpler than debating shared vs. objective reality. Seriously, it’s just that simple. I don’t have to share someone’s entire perception of reality to understand that they might not like to be called an offensive name.”

        I like you.

  13. Love him as an actor – his portrayal of the corrupt DEA boss in The Professional rips shit up! As for his politics? shouldn’t matter but sadly it will. he holds beliefs that run contrary to what Hollywood seems to hold as gospel. Some of these older actors are coming out of the closet – Jon Voight, Gary O, Bruce Willis, James Woods, etc.

    His message against PC is great though using Mel Gibson not a great example.

    • JC

      Let me add a minor correction to what you said:

      “He holds beliefs that run contrary to what some people in Hollywood seem to hold as gospel, namely the belief in not being a complete asshole of a human being by using slurs or defending drunken rage monsters who do use slurs.”

      Sounds a lot less ominous that way, doesn’t it?

    • Oldman’s right-wing politics have been well-known in Hollywood for years. I remember first hearing about it during promotion for The Contender back in 2000. Yet Oldman and everyone you just named—Voight, Willis, Woods—still consistently get work. So much for that “conservative blacklist” liberal Hollywood’s always accused of.

  14. renotastic

    What do you expect from a fucking Eastender?!

  15. Captain Sarcasm

    He’s right. What a horrible world we live in when you cant blame your problems on the jews or call somebody a cocksucking fag without people thinking you’re an asshole.

  16. Let’s not lose sight of something important here: Photo Boy loves The Fifth Element but thinks Who Framed Roger Rabbit was crap? Words fail me as to how completely wrong that is.

  17. JSawyer

    Sensationalized as usual. He didn’t say anything derogatory about any of those races or even overly support either Gibson or the 20th Baldwin. He just said, other people do it too. Which pap was Baldwin trying to subjugate? Was the guy actually gay? Did saying the magic F word suddenly cause that guy to lose all of his social status, money whatever power he might have?

    • Dox

      Nope. But why not just call him an asshole? Why is being gay bad? Or why call someone a racial religious slur? The point is, the word he used implies a belief that being gay is bad, or that being jewish is bad.

      That’s kind of the whole point on this. There a multitude of words that one can use to express displeasure at someone’s behavior.
      Asshole, jerk, Assclown, Cock, Dick, Dickweed, Jerkoff, Assmonkey, Moron, Invasive prick, dork, freak, weirdo, wuss, creep, idiot, tool, twerp, twit, Ass Spelunking Penguin fucker, bonehead, knucklehead, Oxygen Thief….. I mean, really…. you are absolutely only limited by your creativity in this department…. So why do we need to denigrate people based on things they hold dear?
      Such as their race, religion, sexual preference?

      If you really cant understand why something that in part may define you, being used as an insult is just mean… I don’t know what how to explain it to you.

  18. Well, that’s it, then. The Pope is just going to have to excommunicate Oldman.

  19. Sane man

    Gary Oldman is absolutely 100% correct here. Kudos for telling it like it is!

  20. HTC America hasn’t pulled his ads off of YouTube as of this morning.

    But, using Gary’s own words, we’ll all now “ask the internet” what should happen to Mr Oldman.

  21. Was expecting something more incendiary. G. Oldman is great (The Professional, anyone?) and, apparently, old-school in his contempt for the PC bullshit we have to live with.

    And Kraut(!)hammer is brilliant.

  22. Oldman for President of the World.

    Here are some absolute truth’s which equal Gary Oldman being correct.

    1. This entire comments thread and the bullshit attitude of most of the whiners on here trying to “stand up” for something they are not even a part of. Stop apologizing for anything and everything for Christ’s sake. Yes, Christ, the guy with the killer abs thats always hanging around.

    2. If In Living Color(old sketch comedy show created and run by a semi-well-known black family) would not be allowed on TV today based on societies need to apologize every 2 seconds about anything and everything.

    3. Mel Brooks(NOT Gibson, although they should collaborate in the near future and blow everyones mind) movies would not be released in todays society. They would be branded as homophobic, racist, sexist, and every other “ist” anyone can think of. Lets throw PETA in there for any reason as well, I think there was a horse punch scene in blazing saddles

    The point being, shut the $&#^ up, everyone. All of this needs to have a reset button already. If more celebrities or famous people in general would be as honest as Gary Oldman, everyone could relax for a second and focus on more important things in life.

    Seriously, why is no one even talking about the missing Malaysian plane anymore…

    • alex

      Pretty funny stuff…until its YOU that’s the target. And yes, of course racist humor changes with the time. I saw a mel brooks movie the other day and said, “holy shit, times have changed.” Simply put, isn’t it a better world where offensive speech is removed? It wasn’t that long ago that women couldn’t vote, blacks couldn’t eat in a restaurant and gays couldn’t get married.

      I’m guessing, 50 years from now, your ideas will be looked at with the same shame bestowed on all of those people who couldn’t let go of their upbringing and accept positive social change. (I’m sure there were lots of people incensed by freeing the slaves or providing equal rights.) There’s just no good excuse for employing hate speech.

      Calling it PC run a muck is just a hollow answer.

      • You are conflating offensive speech with state sponsored discrimination.

      • alex

        I don’t think of it as “state sponsored” anything. I think of it on a societal level. The government bends to the will of the people. The fact that the government is full of powerful people benefiting from state sponsored discrimination…thus the desire to hang on with both hands.

        The bottom line is that we as a nation and a larger world society are simply having another social pendulum swing. When it goes to far, we’ll all know it and it will start swinging the other way. That’s how it’s always worked despite the power holders best efforts.


      • AllHailCockDr

        “Pretty funny stuff…until its YOU that’s the target.”

        No, it was still pretty funny when In Living Color made fun of us white guys too.

        “isn’t it a better world where offensive speech is removed?”

        Nope, only a more dishonest and fearful one.

        “I’m guessing, 50 years from now, your ideas will be looked at with the same shame bestowed on all of those people who couldn’t let go of their upbringing and accept positive social change.”

        Except YOU’RE the one who gets to define what does and doesn’t constitute “positive social change,” right? I’m sorry, remind me again when the rest of us put YOU in charge of what we’re allowed to say or not say?

        “providing equal rights”

        EQUAL rights? Really? Wouldn’t that mean that those of us who disagree with you have just as much right to say whatever the fuck we want to as you do? Because that sure doesn’t sound like what you’re saying at all.

        “There’s just no good excuse for employing hate speech.”

        And who gets to define “hate speech” again? Let me guess…you, right?

    • Deacon Jones

      HERE, HERE!

      I agree with Gary Oldman 100%. He’s right, there IS such a double standard now days.

      Having lived in the REAL world for 35 years now its given me an entirely different view of “life”. As follows:

      1. Most stereotypes of races are fairly accurate.

      2. Usually the people that are most offended and PC conscientious are the ones that contribute the least to society = college kids and stay at housewives. Real men, and yes, I’m using that term, don’t give a shit. When I’m at a job site and someone says “Hey Clarence, how bout your black ass picks up some chicken for lunch” we’ll get a good laugh out of it, then he’ll bust the other guys balls with “It’s better than your Guinea pasta you eat every fucking night!”

      • How are you posting this from the 1970′s?

      • alex

        I like Howard Stern also….he rips on everyone. But just because your small tight-knit group of co-workers might say something like, “how bout your black ass picks up some chicken for lunch…” does NOT make it okay to say that to a stranger. You are arguing for the right to say that to a stranger….on a societal level even! That’s call racism. And while stereotypes may have their origins in fact, as you suggest, it does not make it okay to use them. I’m really surprised to see that you of all the people taking this stance.

        But lets look at your argument for a minute….
        1. Racial stereotypes are based in fact.

        So what? (for example, meeting one cheap jew does not give you the right to apply that to all jews. Would you like to be judged before you open your mouth?)

        2. Most people arguing against racism or PC run a muck are the freeloaders of the world.

        This is just stupid. As a matter of course, college students have a liberal bent. Middle-aged people have a conservative bent. It’s just how our world works….we look out for our own interests. As we age, our interests change.

        You have made no argument for why it’s acceptable to use offensive speech or adhering to stereotypes. Try again.

    • Way to miss Fish’s point about incorporating racism into humor in order to subvert it, and people just being racist. Mel Brooks’s movies? What the fuck. Blazing Saddles SKEWERED racism, it didn’t propagate it; shit, Richard Pryor was one of the screenwriters. How you can equate that with Mel Gibson saying “Jews are responsible for all of history’s wars”—let alone Oldman’s failed comparison to a public school teacher preaching creationism to this students—is beyond me.

      Actually, no, I do understand why: because, as Fish said, you don’t think context and nuance matter. “Archie Bunker says something racist and everybody laughs and it’s the #1 show in the country, but when I say the same thing, everyone gets offended!” (I know that’s a dated reference, bite me.) It’s roughly the same bullshit argument about how whiteface=blackface, or “why isn’t there a white history month,” etc. And I’m beginning to think this failure to acknowledge context’s place isn’t willful denial but a genuine lack of capacity to understand why it matters.

      • Sorry, I was on a conference call when i wrote that.

        My main point is everyone says shit about other races amongst their own group of inner friends/family, minorities included!!!, but when its brought out in front of a large audience/public setting, everyone feigns shock and disbelief.

      • ‘My main point is everyone says shit about other races amongst their own group of inner friends/family, minorities included!!!,’

        No, they don’t. I don’t know where you live, but my friends aren’t racist, sexist, or homophobic assholes just because the door is closed.

      • And Tom you’re full of shit if you think context matters in this day and age!

        Case in point, look at the shit Louis CK just got into because he did an episode on his show about a fat girl that he reluctantly dated! A fat girl, that in the end, got her man. But the outrage was still ridiculously over the top. I cant imagine what would have happened if he, (GASP) god forbid, started making fun of the usual stereotypes

  23. alex

    I usually hate it when Fish gets off the topic of tits and ass and delves into politics. (Or political correctness)

    However, in the many years and countless visits to this site, this is the best thing he’s ever written, “See, I can say that because of satire which does count because I’m not purposefully using them to perpetuate an ideal that someone is lesser than me and therefore should be deprived of basic human rights.”

    Well said.

    For all of you out there that are upset there’s no “White Awards” or “WET” (white entertainment television), you are just being childish and the world has already passed you by.

  24. I agree with Gary Old man political correctness is out of control. Everyone is so afraid of appearing racist, misogynistic, homophobic that we have to turn people into pariahs to prove that we’re not like them. The problem is that eventually even satirists might have to stop making jokes if this continues at the rate it is. Everyone has become so sensitive that it’s becoming a nightmare, all someone has to do is complain about a movie, song, game being inappropriate and it’ll be changed and censored.

  25. Yeah, have to say Oldman is pretty spot on, I think his career will be fine. He’s not right about everything and he could have worded some things better but what can you do? I’d rather have someone tell the truth than pretend to be someone they aren’t.

  26. We can’t even say Merry Christmas anymore thanks to political correctness.

    • Oh, get the fuck right out of here with that shit.

    • Yes, you can. You just can’t sponsor a Nativity scene on public property because that violates the separation of Church and State. Stop being a drama queen.

    • Dox

      I am not politically correct. Never have been, as I seem to lack the filter from your brain to your mouth. But I understand the idea behind “political correctness.”

      Words have power. They can insult, demean, and cause irreparable damage to people, especially developing personalities. The idea behind avoiding words that are rooted in racial or sexual orientation was to be more aware of how what we say effects people. I fail to see how that Is a bad thing.
      You can say that people need to grow a thicker skin, or you could say that our society needs to be more aware of how our words effect one another? I mean, is it really such a bad thing to stop maligning people based on their race? Sex? or sexual orientation? For those that profess faith in Christianity, isn’t that something Christ would do? For those that profess no faith, wouldn’t you want to be a better person? Someone that manages to leave the world a bit better off than it was, then when you got there?

      In the end, expletives are almost always said in the heat of the moment. They are almost always a product of the culture and time when that person grew up. While I may not agree in ostracizing someone over an exclamation made while heated, I can understand the need to be aware of what was said, and make an actual attempt to change it.

      If that’s too hard, then perhaps the human race is failing at the idea of society.

    • Melvin

      I work on a college campus surrounded by different ethnicities and and religions, and they all wish ME, the middle-aged white guy, a merry christmas. so yeah, get the fuck right out of here with that shit.

  27. Russ

    I find it hilarious how worked up Fish gets about this stuff. What he doesn’t seem (or care) to realize is that HE is the next target. Websites like his are already being targeted for misogyny and objectifying women. Soon liberals will be out for his head on a platter, and there isn’t going to be a damn person left to say anything in his defense. But hey, show the tits and earn the bucks while you can!

    • Dox

      I find it hilarious that an observation made by a blogger counts as worked up.
      This, is not worked up.

      12 pages of ranting and raving, while using all caps at least thirty percent of the time….

      That’s worked up.

  28. Let me see if I understand the anti-PC point of view. It’s ok to offend people, but it’s not ok to be offended.

  29. NYUzMan

    I’ll stand with Gary Oldman on this one. We all should be able to say and hear anything at all. That is a small price to pay for living in a free society. I am a Jew by tradition and it does not bother me at all if someone wants to say something derogatory about it. Just as long as, they never-ever again succede in conspiring against my Zionist fervor. Please realize that, first and foremost, I am a primate just like you. I will always do what’s best for me and my own kind. That may or may not include you, whether or not we share a common tradition. You are free to choose and that’s the beauty of it.

    • You can say and hear anything at all.

      Don’t think there won’t be a shit storm for it, though.

      Oldman isn’t bemoaning people’s inability to be offencive, he’s bemoaning that there are now consequences for it.

      Deal with it.

      • That’s a gross oversimplification of what he was talking about. Consequences for what? Whatever slurs Mel and Alec used they weren’t directed at black people or gays it’s unfortunate they used those words but people usually do reach for the most insulting thing they can think of when they’re very angry. Mels stuff wasn’t even public they were private spats with his mistress. How many people can say they’ve never said while drunk or angry that would look fucking terrible to someone else who wasn’t intended to hear it?

      • * they’ve never said “Anything”………….. damn lack of edit function.

      • Mel had more than just his private spat with his girlfriend…are you forgetting his public homophobic remarks, which he made in an interview in 1992…or remarks made while under arrest (anti-Semitic and misogynistic)?

        There’s a long, established pattern with Mel Gibson.

        Wockner, Rex. “Mel Gibson, Circa 1992, “Refuses to Apologize to Gays”.” San Francisco Bay Times. August 17, 2006. Quote: Asked what he thought of gay people, he said, “They take it up the ass.” Gibson then proceeded to point at his posterior and said: “This is only for taking a shit.” When reminded that he had worked closely with gay people at drama school, Gibson said, “They were good people, kind, I like them. But their thing is not my thing.” When the interviewer asked if Gibson was afraid that people would think he is gay because he’s an actor, Gibson replied, “Do I sound like a homosexual? Do I talk like them? Do I move like them? What happens is when you’re an actor, they stick that label on you.”

        On July 28, 2006, Gibson was arrested for driving under the influence (DUI) while speeding in his vehicle with an open container of alcohol, which is illegal in much of the United States. According to a 2011 article in Vanity Fair, Gibson first told the arresting officer, “My life is over. I’m fucked. Robyn’s going to leave me.”[164] According to the arrest report, Gibson exploded into an angry tirade when the arresting officer would not allow him to drive home. Gibson climaxed with the words, “Fucking Jews… the Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world. Are you a Jew?”

        What’s curious is that Gibson actually got along well with Jews (or at least was able to deal with them during the first and most successful half of his career), blacks (Danny Glover) and gays (Jodie Foster). I think he’s more mentally ill than anything else, but he is slowly getting better (I hope).

        I don’t think Mel Gibson is, down deep, a bad person. I’d rather hang out with him than Alec Baldwin, so long as we didn’t discuss politics or religion, or Russian women….

      • What I’m saying is A LOT of people are prejudiced. Some with good reasons (war, slavery etc). Acting like people should be perfect and pure is crazy, because no one really is. All we can ask is that people keep their BS to themselves and make an effort to tolerate and get along. Mel was mostly doing just that. Private screaming matches with his girlfriend shouldn’t make him a pariah, if he wasn’t using those slurs against minorities in their presence he should be allowed to apologise and promise not to do it again.

        We live in crazy climate of political correctness with eveyone over compensating when it’s not even needed. We destroy people now in the court of popular opinion so we can feel like we’re different and better.

    • Dox

      Have to agree with Veronika.

      You can, for the most part (barring threats, etc) say what you want, that does not mean you are free from the consequence of your speech.
      If at any point in time, they make it illegal to say something….. then I might agree with you.

      As for your “own kind” I find that to be a very interesting statement. While you may share a similar genetic makeup as I do, based on your post, you are absolutely nothing like me.

  30. Yep, I still like Gary. Maybe more than I already did.

    A point that he made, pretty clearly, yet is still lost on many of the people replying, is that making a lawsuit or a national scandal out of every angry, blurted word is the price of PC stupidity. He didn’t support hacking on Jews, or demand the right to use the “n-word”, he said that the PC society is BS. He’s totally right about that, there’s far less tolerance than any time I’ve seen before. Every word must be interpreted as literal, too many people are just twitching to be victimized by anything and everything, and let’s face it: he’s completely, utterly right about using humor to sidestep these rules.

    I’ve seen some of Krauthammer’s stuff, and he can be extremely intelligent and reasonable in his statements/arguments. Granted, Fish will get his knickers knotted because he seems determined to make a moron of himself at the mention of anything even vaguely right-leaning…but keep in mind that he makes a living with celebrity boobs, Lindsay Lohan scandals, and claims that he masturbates in his mom’s basement. Anyone seeing this as an opinion for actual matters in society should get “challenged” tattooed across their foreheads as a warning to others.

    I’m hoping Gary’s interview leads to more people realizing how stupid, how useless, and how damaging the “hair trigger victimization” is in our society.

    • We’re a double sanitized version of the “Greatest Generation”.

      Men our age 70 years ago were storming the beaches of Normandy and fighting off Japanese Kamikazes in the Pacific to save the world as we know it.

      Now they sit around in tight jeans and rationalize the need for political correctness…

  31. Swearin

    I was hoping he’d win an Oscar someday. Guess that ain’t happening now. Although the Academy is still an old white man majority, so maybe.

  32. “I do have particular views and opinions that most of this town doesn’t share, but it’s not like I’m a fascist or a racist. There’s nothing like that in my history.”

    Well…until now.

    • itsjaredlol

      How is observing a phenomenon now racist? Are you this narrow in your thinking with everything? That’s an incredibly ignorant statement for you to make.

      • the point is it’s not necessary to be a racist, sexist, or homophobe in the political correctness realm of the public spotlight. It’s enough to say any one of the growing list of PC trigger words and then blood is in the water. If the circling parasites of “Im Deeply Offended Incorporated” think they can make the evening news by eating him alive, they’ll do it no matter what his intentions or context of words.

  33. Oh BABY

    Oldman is on the money, and I for one applaud the fact that he has no problem telling it like it is and having the attitude that you liberal dumb asses can stick it. He’s effectively told people like you, Fish, that you’re bullying assholes who can cram it. I’ve always liked Oldman because he’s very good at what he does; my respect for him as a thinking individual who has the courage to speak his mind even has increased a million-fold.

    Screw you and your political correctness, Fish. You liberal twats have been allowed to be oppressive and repressive, and your time is coming to an end.

    You may hope, Fish, that his career is over because you’re a left-leaning moron who gets hysterical and vindictive when someone tells it like it is. But here’s the truth: Long after you’ve been forgotten, Fish, Oldman will still be a celebrated actor. Cram your political correctness and the hate you spew to bully others into silence.

    Gary Oldman ROCKS, and we need more people with the balls to tell the truth (and to make you cowardly liberals fucks face it instead of burying it).

  34. Oldman is for freedom of expression, Nazi’s not so much.

  35. How come pictures of Kim’s ass don’t get comment threads this long?

  36. I don’t care, but he is fucking awesome. GO GARY

  37. And people wondered why they only let him say “Blah blah blah” in that HTC commercial.

  38. Jackmac

    Hey,hey, heeeeeyyyyyyyyy. Can we ditch the debate about Political correctness and get back to leering at women in bikinis and calling people fat. Jeeeeeez!

    • Ironic, isn’t it?

      • common potato

        …or denigrating a fat-assed woman for preferring black men (read = large penis) because it is implicit in that preference that she is a wanton woman who cares for sexual gratification above all else in a relationship. Fish is a hypocrite. A smart, witty hypocrite who makes the occasional good point and who also manages to amuse us all.

    • Fish saw something that might be kinda not totally leftist, and he went off on yet another predictable twit-rant, with most comments taking the opposite view.

      Either he plays a moronic ultra-lefty to drum up business in the comments section, or he must sob every time his rants go wrong.

  39. itsjaredlol

    Oldman’s right, and you’re just proving that by this entire post. SJW bullshit has gotten to the point where unless you keep your shut at all times and pretend to not think these things, that you shouldn’t be allowed to leave your house. Isn’t that kind of ironic? The people preaching diversity and the rights of other human beings are oppressing human minds for thinking a thought. Sound familiar? Oh, because it’s why people of different sexualities, “races” and anyone that’s different feel oppressed. You think you’re “evolved” because you think you’re on this liberal high-horse (I consider myself liberal), where you get to point the finger. Now, I’m not saying it’s a bad thing that we can notice these things and point them out, but I think it’s ignorant to try to tear someone down for pointing out things that are legitimately true. He’s not saying “fuck all n words, feggets, and jews,” he’s stating the problem with this super-political correct social justice warrior bullshit we have going on right now and I think it’s perfectly fine to make this observation.

    I love that you want to get involved in this stuff and voice your thoughts on this as if they’re fact, but you completely miss the point to where I almost thought this was a fucking Jezebel column. Get a fucking grip man.

  40. Slash

    Jesus, this isn’t that fucking hard. It isn’t “political correctness” to not want your kid’s teacher to tell him that he shouldn’t be a Buddhist. If Gary Oldman wants to rag on Buddhism, fine. Gary Oldman isn’t a public school teacher. And he’s also not a goddam American, so maybe he should Google “First Amendment,” McCollum v. Board of Education Dist. 71, Engel v. Vitale, Abington School District v. Schempp, Lemon v. Kurtzman and Lee v. Weisman before he starts criticizing the legal strategies of parents in Louisiana. I don’t know if he has kids, so maybe he doesn’t give a fuck if kids get an education instead of the Jesusy crap that religious nutjobs would prefer us all to have, rather than actual knowledge, but maybe he should put himself in the shoes of a parent (you know, like, pretend he’s a parent of a school-age child) and ask himself if maybe public school teachers should spend their precious class time teaching real science instead of a fucking Sunday school lesson.

    Religious nutjobs will try to shoehorn religion into anything. You can thank a lawsuit for the fact that procuring birth control is legal everywhere in the U.S. now. It wasn’t until 1965, thanks to the Catholic Church. The Griswold v. Connecticut decision ended that stupid bullshit.

    You sue assholes who try to impose their religion on you because assholes don’t have any fucking shame, the only thing that will make them take anybody other than themselves seriously is if being an asshole costs them money and/or their job.

    I still think he’s a great actor, but also kind of a dumbass. Apparently, he doesn’t overthink anything. Stick to acting, Gary. Leave the social commentary to people who actually know what the fuck they’re talking about.

  41. Remember, Gary Oldman is a guy who once woke up after a 3 week bender-married. This is nothing.

    • I wonder if that’s the same wife he tried to strangle with the phone cord as she was calling the cops during one of their “rows”.

      Makes one wonder if he may have knocked a few back before the interview began.

  42. Al Pacino

    Love Oldman. Love Baldwin. Love Gibson. Anyone who doesn’t can go fuck themselves!

  43. D-chi

    Hah, those pesky oppresses people and their desire to live their lives without being dehumanized. When will they ever learn? Straight white man smart, everyone else too sensitive.

  44. Mitch

    I have no problem with the Jews. It’s the muslims that I want to get all genocidey on.

  45. It’s obvious that there are way too many people in here today with entirely too much free time on their hands. Or maybe they can type 140 wpm.

  46. Sissidelyon

    He is absolutely right… All the way.
    There are some people that cannot be mentioned in any way without being called racist…
    There are some people that cannot take a joke, people hyprocrit about everything that doesn’t seem politically correct…

  47. AtomicMountain

    The awesome power of the Thought Police never ceases to amaze me.





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