Charlize Theron: ‘Googling Yourself Is Like Rape,’ Oh, Goddammit…

May 30th, 2014 // 135 Comments

In a recent interview, Charlize Theron was asked if she ever Googles herself and gave the following response because Sean Penn‘s penis has been inside of her. That’s the explanation I’m going with. Via The Guardian:

“I don’t do that, so that’s my saving grace. When you start living in that world, and doing that, you start I guess feeling raped.”
Asked if she felt that strongly about the issue, Theron said: “Well, you know when it comes to your son and your private life. Maybe that’s just me. Some people might relish all that stuff but there are certain things in my life that I think of as very sacred and I am very protective over them.
“I don’t always win that war but as long as I don’t have to see that stuff or read that stuff or hear that stuff then I can live with my head in a clear space, which is probably a lot healthier than living in that dark room.”

I’m just going to say this for the benefit of all celebrities, and also myself so I don’t have to read 800 breathless headlines – including my own – after the fact: You want to know what feels like rape? RAPE. (See, also: war, Gwyneth Paltrow‘s an organic macrame shitbox of dumb)

Photos: Fame/Flynet, Pacific Coast News, Splash News

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  1. Oh fuck. Not her too. Stop asking female celebs this question, please. It seems there are way too many of them that think this way. Did they have a meeting and agree on this or something?

    You know what’s funny, feminists claim it’s men who trivialize rape, yet here we are.

    • I have to agree with part of what you’ve written but disagree strongly with your slap against feminism. No, people shouldn’t throw around words like “bullying” and “rape” lightly. Both are serious acts that can leave a permanent mark on their sufferers.

      However, that doesn’t prove that feminists (and there are men who are feminists) are wrong when they say that many men blame rape victims (“Why were you walking in that bad neighbourhood at that hour?” “Why were you dressed that way?” “Why did you drink so much that night?”) because they are, in fact, right. Many men DO blame women for rape. In fact, in male-on-male rape (which occurs mainly in prison), men blame other men for being victimised: “Hey, if you don’t want to get ass-raped by Bubba, don’t steal a car radio.”

      Most women *don’t* trivialise rape any more than *most* women live the cosseted life of Charlize Theron or any more than *most* women look like Charlize Theron! Gwyneth Paltrow and Charlize Theron are not, I hope you know, representative members of the female gender nor representative members of an average person.

      Charlize is one who I thought knew better: Charlize watched as her mother killed her abusive father. Now that’s a real and lasting trauma and something I can’t imagine experiencing.

      • Deacon Jones

        There are men feminists???
        I’d call them g@y, but that couldn’t be true, as almost all g@y men despise women, as do most lesbians despise men.

      • I agree with Veronika – nicely said.

        @Deacon – I wouldn’t say gay men despise women, or lesbians despise men. I would say that lesbians/gays are grossed out by men’s/women’s dirty bits, or even that lesbians/gays have absolutely zero interest in men/women. I doubt anyone truly goes out of their way to put the effort into despising people they don’t know.

      • Sexuality isn’t as binary as gay/straight. Most people fall somewhere in between. I’d estimate about 5% of the human population are 100% gay and 5% are 100% straight, with the rest of us falling somewhere along a Bell Curve distribution.

        I know gay men and women who have been married and had children, and didn’t find it horrible, just not completely fulfilling. The fact that they were able to have sex with the opposite gender is part of the proof that many people are bisexual (but lean gay or straight).

        Exhibit A: Amber Heard was a “lesbian”. Now she’s banging Johnny Depp. So she was never a lesbian but bisexual.

      • I’m not sure the Amber Heard/Johnny Depp relationship should be used as an example of anything, ever.

      • To be fair, going from lesbians to Johnny Depp is kind of a lateral move. It’s got all the novelty of a penis, but the warm, comforting familiarity of patchouli.

      • Joss Whedon says he’s a feminist. (Among others.)

      • Men should be feminists.

        Why?

        Because men are trapped as much (and maybe even moreso!) in their gender roles as women.

        Feminism isn’t about “man hating”, of course, it’s about allowing people to live outside gender stereotypes.

      • D-chi

        ^ this, basically. men don’t realize that feminists are fighting for their freedoms as well.

      • They certainly aren’t. They are the ones keeping us there in the first place.

      • The notion that gender roles are absolutely bad is problematic. I’ve had not one but two women ask me point blank is we as a couple could have a “traditional” relationship, with me as the man/boss. These were both very smart, willful ladies. But everything is so out of whack now that people don’t know how to act or relate to one another.

        Most men know that, at the end of the day, whatever a woman says, she wants her man to be manly. And most men prefer women who aren’t scratching their meat curtains while working on a muscle car while listening to Skynard.

      • You were in two relationships where the woman asked you to be the boss, and you think you can extrapolate that to all of womankind. I’m going to go out on a limb and say that it’s more likely that you find yourself entering into relationships with submissive women, smart and willful they may be (willful outside the relationship, at any rate). And before you start screaming that that’s a contradiction, I’ve known a few women who were strident feminists—and got called “bitch” a lot for their troubles—who turned into complete subs once you got them in the sack. That’s not contradictory, that’s the fluidity and randomness of sexuality.

      • Heh heh Meat curtains.

      • ‘as almost all g@y men despise women, as do most lesbians despise men.’

        Uh, as someone whose gay and lesbian friends outnumber her straight friends, I can tell you that this is unequivocally wrong.

      • Shut up. OK? Just shut up.

    • “Stop asking female celebs this question, please.”

      Don, might I point out that the question she was asked was, “Do you ever Google yourself?” I don’t think any interviewer could reasonably expect that question to end up with “rape.”

      And while I’m not defending her analogy, let me also point out that the uppermost thing in her mind when she made that comment was her adopted son. Her adopted black son. A white celebrity with a black child who Googles herself will eventually run into some scary stuff being said about her on the Internet. Even a run-of-the-mill dick-joke-and-titties blog can devolve into a White Power conclave. Likening it to rape may be over the line, but if she exposed herself to what the schmidtlers and Robert Acquafrescas of the world had to say about her, she’d definitely feel violated to some degree.

  2. Here’s the funny thing about this headline: I had the same, exact reaction Fish got (“Godammit, Charlize… WTF?”), but then I start thinking about it, and maybe… just maybe… we gave this chick way too much credit, solely because she ridiculously hot, happen to be able to string two sentences together and open-minded enough to adopt a kid of a different ethnicity…

    But, then again, she is dating Penn… and didn’t she let Seth Macfarlane giggity-giggity her too? And now this…

    So. Maybe she’s an idiot. Or spectacularly conceited.
    Either way, that comment definitely makes her a c*nt.

  3. Polk

    Saying “I got raped” when paying too much for something is not the same thing as trivializing rape.

    It’s like saying your boss “reamed you out” is trivializing anal rape.

    if there is no intent to trivial rape, using the word “rape” in a sentence isn’t a foul.

    Bobby Knight “If you getting raped, lay back and enjoy it” is using the word rape with intent to trivialize.

    Do intelligent people get this?

    • it had to be said

      Intelligent people might make a distinction between “my boss reamed me out” and “when my boss gets upset I feel anally raped.” It is a subtle distinction, but one nonetheless.

      More importantly, she is absolutely trivializing rape. What I think she means is that she feels “violated” which is (a) perfectly understandable, given the vile material on the web about celebrities, and (b) distinct from rape.

      • Ugh

        I fully agree with ‘it had to be said. I am a female who has been raped. Whenever I hear someone using ‘rape’ to describe an experience or feeling other than actually being raped I feel like throwing my hands up in the air and giving up on society.

      • Yikes, I’m sorry Ugh. I hope you’re doing alright after that.

  4. I’d like to ‘Google’ her.

  5. Short Round

    What pretence! How could she know what rape is like?! OK, I volunteer to have sex with her for a basis of comparison… for science.

  6. right

    She’s not hot anymore mentally or physically. Plus she dates that dooche penn. Need i say more. Stop wasting bandwidth on her.

  7. Charlize Theron Bikini Mario Testino Shoot
    Commented on this photo:

    I wonder if a rape victim has ever compared her experience to reading unflattering things about herself on the internet.

  8. News Flash!!

    Hot chick says something stupid.

  9. How about we put this dopey bitch and Gwyneth Paltrow in Syria for a while. Live there for a year you fucking morons then you can tell us all how horribly difficult your lives are. Otherwise, shut the hell up!!

  10. Cock Dr

    Did her IQ drop come before or after the Sean Penn penetrations?

  11. Get them a fucking dictionary or thesaurus. Learn words like violated, which I think is what their self absorbed, melodramatic asses are trying to say.

    Googling myself makes me feel violated, the paparazzi make me feel violated, photoshoots are violating to me. My privacy feels infringed upon, it’s hurtful, it’s scary, it’s worrying, it makes me feel anxious, it’s intimidating, etc. It’s not that fucking hard.

  12. Portrait of a typical celebrity (or just non-famous rich person): Narcissistic and out of touch with everyday reality. Charlize is no exception.

    Part of Gwyneth Paltrow Syndrome (as it’s now clinically known) is the type of person who becomes famous and/or rich: they do so by exclusive focus on themselves (which is why they often make such poor partners and parents). The other part is that once they become famous and/or rich (or if they’re born that way), they live in an alternate reality where everyone kisses your ass, the best table at a restaurant is always available, and every place has valet parking.

    Not every celebrity or rich person develops Gwyneth Paltrow Syndrome. One of those to escape the affliction, Robert Redford, best summed Gwyneth Paltrow Syndrome this way (before Gwyneth was even born!): “Number one, in the beginning, you will be treated like an object. But they don’t know who you are. All they know is the image up there on the screen. Number two, if you are not careful you will begin to act like an object. And number three, the final death stage, you become that object.”

    Charlize Theron appears to be in late Stage Two or early Stage Three. That’s what comes from banging Sean Penn.

    • Short Round

      Robert Redford just explained why all porn stars look dead inside by the time they finish their “careers”.

  13. brick

    How about this: Who cares!
    She’s beautiful and usually pretty cool. So what she said something a little dumb. Good thing none of us ever say dumb stuff.

  14. I think the problem is with the way people talk these days. People don’t like to use middle-ground words anymore. Something is either the worst thing ever or the greatest thing to ever happen in the history of the world. Nothing’s ever average. Louis CK had a great bit about this in his comedy special “Hilarious”

    So instead of saying “When I google myself, the things I find make me feel violated, hurt, exposed etc.” they’ll go for the worst thing they can possibly think of to describe it ergo all this rape bullshit.

    This is one of the many things brought to us by modern day feminism telling women that rape is such a prevalent thing, that is normalized and condoned by our society. That there are rapists everywhere. Just waiting. Watching. That every man is a potential rapist. And that it’s the worst thing that can ever happen to any woman ever! I mean, you get raped, you might as well be dead. Your life is over.

    Feminists are the ones that promote and normalize rape. Their very livelihood depends on keeping women in constant state of fear. Charlize words are just a product of feminist’s rape culture.

    • “This is one of the many things brought to us by modern day feminism telling women that rape is such a prevalent thing, that is normalized and condoned by our society.”

      Tell that to the female rape victims at these colleges:

      HEADLINE: 55 colleges under investigation over handling of sexual violence complaints

      “Joanna Espinosa, a student at UTPA who has since graduated, told CNN she would not have come forward without the help of a nationwide network that has been a driving force in bringing attention to the way schools handle sexual misconduct reports. President Barack Obama recently called the nationwide, student-led movement a catalyst for a federal task force to protect college students from sexual violence on campus.”

      http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/01/us/colleges-sex-complaint-investigations/

      Or the shameful case at Florida State University, where the rape victim whose perpetrator is a star football player got raped a second time by the system:

      “Tallahassee, Fla. — Early on the morning of Dec. 7, 2012, a freshman at Florida State University reported that she had been raped by a stranger somewhere off campus after a night of drinking at a popular Tallahassee bar called Potbelly’s.

      As she gave her account to the police, several bruises began to appear, indicating recent trauma. Tests would later find semen on her underwear.

      For nearly a year, the events of that evening remained a well-kept secret until the woman’s allegations burst into the open, roiling the university and threatening a prized asset: Jameis Winston, one of the marquee names of college football.

      Three weeks after Mr. Winston was publicly identified as the suspect, the storm had passed. The local prosecutor announced that he lacked the evidence to charge Mr. Winston with rape. The quarterback would go on to win the Heisman Trophy and lead Florida State to the national championship.

      After a Florida State student accused quarterback Jameis Winston of rape, the police did not interview him or obtain his DNA. Phil Sears/Associated Press
      In his announcement, the prosecutor, William N. Meggs, acknowledged a number of shortcomings in the police investigation. In fact, an examination by The New York Times has found that there was virtually no investigation at all, either by the police or the university.

      The police did not follow the obvious leads that would have quickly identified the suspect as well as witnesses, one of whom videotaped part of the sexual encounter. After the accuser identified Mr. Winston as her assailant, the police did not even attempt to interview him for nearly two weeks and never obtained his DNA.

      The detective handling the case waited two months to write his first report and then prematurely suspended his inquiry without informing the accuser. By the time the prosecutor got the case, important evidence had disappeared, including the video of the sexual act.

      “They just missed all the basic fundamental stuff that you are supposed to do,” Mr. Meggs said in a recent interview. Even so, he cautioned, a better investigation might have yielded the same result.

      The case has unfolded as colleges and universities across the country are facing rising criticism over how they deal with sexual assault, as well as questions about whether athletes sometimes receive preferential treatment. The Times’s examination — based on police and university records, as well as interviews with people close to the case, including lawyers and sexual assault experts — found that, in the Winston case, Florida State did little to determine what had happened.”

      http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/04/16/sports/errors-in-inquiry-on-rape-allegations-against-fsu-jameis-winston.html

      And you just proved yourself wrong with your own words: you’re a man who is trivialising rape. Shame on you.

      • 342 days before the university interviewed the chief witness in the case.

        Justice delayed is justice denied…and no, Winston isn’t being prosecuted. Everything is covered up and he goes on to be a rich and famous football player, while his victim(s) have to live with their hurt for the rest of their lives.

      • I’m not trivializing rape. I’m condemning feminism ever-expanding definition of what is rape and their rhetoric that states rape is a normalized thing in Western society.

        The case you highlighted sounds more like athletes getting a free pass to me. If that kid wasn’t a popular sports star, they would’ve buried his ass in jail.

        As to your earlier point, how is asking questions of a rape victim “victim-blaming”? How are the police supposed to get any answers if they don’t ask questions. Are you suggesting the police just blankly believe any person that makes a rape claim, evidence be damned. That’s very dangerous.

        It might sound harsh, but someone who drinks to the point where they pass out in public and then gets sexually assaulted is as much at fault as the person who assaulted them. You put yourself in position to be taken advantage of.

        Back to college rape cases. What about the Duke Lacrosse players who were demonized by the mere word of a woman claiming rape? They were lucky in that they were found innocent. Many more men are falsely accused and are immediately kicked out of school and their reputations and academic careers forever tarnished.

        The false accuser in the Duke Lacrosse case received no punishment for her false accusation and went on to kill a man btw. I hope you don’t subscribe to the 1 in 5 college campus rape statistic because it a lie. A video by Christina Hoff Sommers.

        Another video by Tom Golden

      • You’ve got your mind made up. Hairy-armed plaid-wearing lesbian feminists are to blame yadda yadda yadda. No use wasting time debating your position, which is set in stone and not based on anything that isn’t feminist-bashing propaganda.

      • Seriously, Don? You would take advantage of a woman who is passed out? That’s some real entitled thinking there, that even if the woman can’t consent she probably would if she woke up, and if she doesn’t, then hey you just snuck in a quickie without her being any the wiser. That’s fucking skeezy.

        Is it really that bad to teach men “Hey, forcing yourself upon a person who doesn’t consent isn’t good. Don’t do it.” Instead of having to teach women 10000 things they shouldn’t do to make sure that men don’t hurt them? Do women not have the right to not be hurt? Women aren’t allowed to be sloppy drunk, when men can be?

        False rape accusations are no where near as prevalent as you seem to think.

      • Cock Dr

        “someone who drinks to the point where they pass out in public and then gets sexually assaulted is as much at fault as the person who assaulted them. ”
        OMG NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO they aren’t.
        I know that many of our male commenters are misogynistic fools but that statement cannot be left unchallenged.

      • Way to not read what I said. Where did I say I’d take advantage of a drunk woman? I don’t drink and I stay away from people who do. Much less for hooking up with drunk women. Are you crazy? Don’t let my comments on this website fool you, those are jokes. I would never have sex with a drunk woman. I’m not into it and it’s definitely not worth the legal risk. Your response is typical of when someone says something like I did. I’ll break it down for you.

        Going out and getting stinking drunk to the point where you can’t stand, see straight or just plain blackout is putting yourself in danger. You gave up your agency. You’re among strangers. You have no idea what they will do to someone in your position. Why take that risk?

        If a man drinks heavily and stumbles into traffic and gets killed, whose fault is that? If he gets into a fight and gets his ass kicked, who’s fault is that? If he just passes out busts his head open on the floor in an alley and bleeds to death, whose fault is that? His fault. He gave up his agency. He gave up control of his faculties to alcohol and put himself in danger.

        Why would you leave yourself vulnerable like that in public, knowing that there are unsavory characters out there willing to take advantage of people in your situation? You have to accept responsibility for your decision to drink to the point of excess. The fault goes both ways.

      • Cock Dr

        It chills me that the reasons you provide for not yourself assaulting the unconscious are “not into it” and “legal risk”.
        How about because it is fundamentally WRONG?

      • “Wrong” is subjective in this case. You can’t tell what people are into sexually. Some people like drunk sex. I don’t.

        Sexuality is not an issue where you can make blanket statements about what is right and wrong. People are into all kinds of shit and I say more power to them. As long as all participating parties are of legal age and have consented.

      • By definition we’re discussing people who can’t consent you backpedaling fuck.

      • To quote Ross Geller:

        “You could not be more wrong. You could try. But you would not be successful.”

        Since men are apparently unable to control themselves around unconscious, drunken women, or women wearing short skirts, or women walking down dark alleys, there’s only one sane, rational solution: no men are allowed at parties where alcohol is consumed nor permitted outdoors after dark.

        See how ridiculous that is? I just blamed all men everywhere and told them that they shouldn’t go out at certain hours of the day nor attend parties where drinking occurs.

        And yet my scenario is still not as ridiculous and insulting as the one you imagine. You do realise that in Moslem countries, where alcohol is forbidden and the women wear burkas and hijabs, that men rape women (and other men, too)?

        “Well, if she didn’t want to be raped, she shouldn’t have been out of the house unaccompanied by a male relative.”

        “I heard that, Mustaffa! High five, bro!”

        Enough with this shit already.

      • Are you seriously going to compare the situation of women in the Middle East with the women in the West? You really reaching now.

        It’s not even close to being the same thing. I agree that people in the Middle East has a lot of advancements to make. Their issues stem more from their religion and other cultural factors.

        I am not very informed on this, so I’m not going to speak on it. I don’t know if you were expecting me to defend those kinds of actions, but it’ll never happen.

      • “Feminists are the ones that promote and normalize rape. Their very livelihood depends on keeping women in constant state of fear. Charlize words are just a product of feminist’s rape culture.”

        “Why would you leave yourself vulnerable like that in public, knowing that there are unsavory characters out there willing to take advantage of people in your situation? You have to accept responsibility for your decision to drink to the point of excess. The fault goes both ways.”

        So which is it? Rape stats are mostly bullshit puffed up by feminists to keep women living in fear OR there are people out there ready to rape you the second you let your guard down so women SHOULD live in fear? It can’t be a feminist conspiracy AND the reality that women live in daily.

      • Why not? A problem can exist and still be overblown. There are rapists out there, but not as much as the feminist propaganda would have you believe. They tell you that any man could be a potential rapist. That rape is accepted in our society. That breeds a climate of fear allowing them to make even more draconian laws that do nothing to help.

        Everybody is obligated to protect themselves as much as possible. It won’t always be successful. Shit happens. But it’s important to see things in perspective. It doesn’t mean live in fear, it means be careful.

      • No, the fault doesn’t go both ways. Women have every right to get as shitfaced as the next person. Is it advisable? No, but that should be because getting shitfaced is dangerous to your health, it should NOT be “because you might get raped” – that’s akin to saying that “eh, you were drunk and some people like to rape drunk people, so… eh.” People should have to EXPECT to protect themselves – you diminish your quality of life that way because you’re always looking over your shoulder. It should be up to the decency of the other person who has enough faculty to do the raping to say, “That’s wrong, I’m not going to do it.”

        Saying it’s the victim’s fault, even half way, is basically saying that you agree with the assault in the first place. “Because she was drunk, see? She was negligent in her own safety, so she deserved it.” Safety shouldn’t be something you have to EARN, it’s something that you are entitled to as a human being.

        If a man drinks heavily and gets killed stumbling into traffic isn’t even close to the sexual assault topic. That’s an accident, that neither party wanted to happen and neither party foresaw. An assault IS an action that is meant to happen. If a man goes out, gets drunk and gets his ass kicked in a fight, then guess what? He has at least half the fault in that situation because he obviously wasn’t passed out drunk if he willingly participated in that fight. He had some way to consent to fighting with the other person and because he was drunk he got his ass kicked. If you have enough faculty to engage in a fight, you have enough to say “Fuck it, I’m not ruining my buzz because of this asshole” and walk away.

        My response is “typical” because that’s how a reasonable person would take your response. Saying basically “bitch was drunk as hell, she deserved it” is absolving the rapist of his fault (and the rapist deserves ALL the fault).

      • “People should NOT have to EXPECT to protect themselves…” goddammit.

      • Wrong. That’s not how a reasonable person thinks, that’s how an overly emotional person thinks. You cannot rely on other people’s decency. How would you know that the people around you in the bar are decent in the first place? You made the choice to drink excessively. You made the choice to give up control of yourself and put yourself in a dangerous position. After you passed out, you were at the mercy of whoever stumbled across you body. That is the responsibility you have to accept.

        That’s a really bad mentality to have: “I can do whatever I want and people should just leave me alone.” It doesn’t work that way at all. That’s very dangerous and irresponsible.

        Why don’t you wear Lady Gaga’s meat dress and go for jog through the jungle. When you get mauled by the bear or whatever, you can’t blame the bear. You put yourself in that situation. The bear was acting on its instinct.

        It’s the same thing. There are predators out there. It’s their instinct to prey on other people. They look like you and me. They’ve always been around and they’ll always be around. We all know they’re out there, you don’t have to make it easier for them by taking away your ability to defend yourself through substance abuse.

      • So… men are bears? You’re comparing men to wild animals? So, men shouldn’t be trusted, therefore the “all men are rapists” mentality is legit?

      • “So… men are bears?”

        Only if your application was accepted.

      • It’s called a metaphor. Killing is inherent in the bear, just as it is in the human murderer. It’s the bear’s nature to kill, just as it is any human murderer.

        We are all animals btw.

      • D-chi

        You are disgusting and your level of victim blaming is appalling.

      • Thanks. Do you have any points to bring up or is name calling all you’ve got?

      • “It might sound harsh, but someone who drinks to the point where they pass out in public and then gets sexually assaulted is as much at fault as the person who assaulted them. You put yourself in position to be taken advantage of.”

        It doesn’t sound harsh, it sounds fucking evil. Also wrong, the onus on the rapist not to, you know, rape. If you forget to lock your car, that doesn’t mean you’re to blame when your stereo gets jacked. If you’re carrying money in your wallet you’re not to blame if you get mugged. Stop being an asshole.

        “If a man drinks heavily and stumbles into traffic and gets killed, whose fault is that? If he gets into a fight and gets his ass kicked, who’s fault is that? If he just passes out busts his head open on the floor in an alley and bleeds to death, whose fault is that? His fault. He gave up his agency. He gave up control of his faculties to alcohol and put himself in danger”

        This is fractally wrong, but I’ll only examine it from two positions. First, getting into a traffic accident, starting a fight, or falling over are not consent issues. Those instances are all someone getting drunk and then behaving badly. When dealing with the rape of a drunk person, the issue is that they’ve lost the ability to consent, not that they’re behaving badly.

        Also, your examples are all about someone either having an accident or being the aggressor in a fight. The last is not pertinent and the other two are ridiculous comparisons unless you believe that most drunk women are accidentally raped by tripping and falling onto some dude’s dick. Fuck off.

      • “If a man drinks heavily and stumbles into traffic and gets killed, whose fault is that? If he gets into a fight and gets his ass kicked, who’s fault is that? If he just passes out busts his head open on the floor in an alley and bleeds to death, whose fault is that? His fault. He gave up his agency. He gave up control of his faculties to alcohol and put himself in danger.”

        NO. Fuck you. Those things you described are ACCIDENTS. Rape is not an accident or a random hazard like falling down and hitting your head. It’s a FELONY. And it’s 100% the fault and the responsibility of the criminal who saw a person in a vulnerable state and chose to take advantage of the situation and violate that person’s bodily autonomy. I agree it’s pretty stupid to get blackout drunk and put yourself in danger, but that doesn’t make you responsible for SOMEONE ELSE’S heinous criminal activities.

        I’ve read some disturbing comments on this site, but you are well and truly fucked in the head.

      • False rape accusations are more common than you think. Rape is not as common as feminists seem to think.

        Most men already know not to force themselves on people who don’t consent. Rapist are less than 5% of the male population. They way feminists talk you’d think it was 90%. And rape is a crime btw.

        Even other criminals don’t like rapists and pedophiles. They beat the ever loving shit out of them in jail, if not kill them outright.

        How is teaching women how to protect themselves a bad thing? Are you one of those “don’t tell me what to wear, teach men not to rape” people? If so, why do you lock your doors? Why don’t you just tell thieves not to steal, kidnappers not to kidnap etc. Do you see how faulty that logic is?

        Don’t buy into the poisonous feminist idea that rape in inherent in masculinity. That’s hateful bullshit. Feminism has poisoned the minds of the general public to the point where telling women to protect themselves is considered to be a bad thing. They could actually convince people that rape is somehow a part of masculinity i.e. toxic masculinity. It’s absolute bullshit.

        Feminism is poison. It may have serves a purpose long ago, but in this world where women have all the rights men do, and even some that men don’t, feminism is no longer necessary. But a lot of people make money from keeping women scared so feminism has morphed into a cancer on society. Hatred and demonization of men is their goal now.

      • I’ve never said that rape is inherent in masculinity. That isn’t even what most feminists think. I know that rape, and ALL violent crime, is actually very rare. But it does happen. False rape allegations also happen, I get that, but those are few and far between the already rare, true rape allegations.

        I know men know forcing themselves on women is wrong, but there are men who don’t give a shit and that’s wrong – there are men who think that drunk women deserved to be raped because they’re drunk. That’s wrong.

        There isn’t an issue with teaching women to protect themselves, but they shouldn’t be the only ones responsible for their safety against sexual assault – telling women they have to be constantly on guard for rapists perpetuates that “all men are rapists” mentality that you think only feminists have. It also takes away a quality of life from not only women, but men too – men have to be constantly guarded that whatever they do doesn’t result in a rape charge.

        I would LOVE to see people be taught not to rape, steal, or kill. That would be wonderful. I also know, on the other hand, that there will always be assholes that have to ruin it for everyone else, and will go out of their way to hurt people no matter what they are taught. So yes, teach women to protect themselves because those assholes are out there. However, maybe also make sure the blame goes where it’s supposed to go so women don’t feel responsible for any sexual assault that does happen to them.

      • “I know men know forcing themselves on women is wrong, but there are men who don’t give a shit and that’s wrong – there are men who think that drunk women deserved to be raped because they’re drunk. That’s wrong. ”

        Those men are criminals and are put in jail. and false rape accusations are not as rare as you think. Did you watch the videos I linked?

        Great comment. Blame is not the issue here. The justice system is not supposed to be concerned with how people feel, there are a myriad of therapists and social workers for that. Its job is to solve cases and apprehend/prosecute the guilty parties.

        It’s a very emotionally charged issue, but the justice system has to remain neutral and get their jobs done to the best of their ability.

      • “Why do you lock doors?”

        Uh…My Vagina Is Not A Car:

        If video isn’t your style, here’s an article by the same speaker, Clementine Ford:

        http://www.dailylife.com.au/news-and-views/dl-opinion/your-vagina-is-not-a-car-20121022-28102.html

        If you leave your keys in your car, don’t be surprised if someone steals it.

        Listen, it’s simple ladies. If you drive your vagina around and leave it double parked on a dark street with the keys dangling in the ignition and an apple pie on the dashboard, how can you expect someone not to amble past and just take it? I mean, if I were to just wander off and leave my wallet sitting on the table in a cafe, should I be surprised if I return later to find it gone? More to the point, if (as one commentor so helpfully asked a few months ago) I were to spread all of my possessions on my front lawn and retreat to the comfort of my living room for a Here Comes Honey Boo Boo marathon, can I really complain if I emerge, hours later, bleary eyed from the self induced high of a televisual acid trip, to the astonishing revelation that my worldly goods have been pilfered by opportunistic suburban thieves? Indeed, I cannot!

        The lesson is simple: there are petty criminals lurking around every corner just waiting for hapless dames like you to walk around with money spilling out of your meat purses, so you should always put the club lock on your Honey Boo Boo.

        It’s hard to believe, but such arguments are usually offered with a kind of arrogant ‘checkmate’ tone to them, as if sexual assault is merely the inconvenient by-product of Forgetful Girl Brain and not one of the most traumatic violations a person can experience. Worse, these kind of dismissive hypotheticals place victims at the forefront of blame. When we create and perpetuate caveats like this, we confirm to victims of sexual assault something that many are already deeply troubled by. That they could have done something different. That they asked for it. That they didn’t fight hard enough. That they deserved it.

        The idea that we could possibly allow any victim of assault, sexual or otherwise, to think that they had somehow asked for it is so anathema to the idea of human decency that it beggars belief. Nobody asks to be raped. And vaginas don’t come with a goddamn steering lock.

        Yet this argument persists because I think we’ve never really addressed the root of its logical inconsistency. A vagina is not a car, and rape is not the same thing as opportunistically taking someone’s abandoned wallet from a coffee table. Do you know why? Because if I leave the keys in my car – AND I’M SITTING IN MY CAR – anyone who comes along and tries to steal it will have to physically assault me in order to take it. If I sprawl all of my possessions on the front lawn of my house and then embark on my Honey Boo Boo marathon, that’s not an invitation to rape – it’s a sign that it’s hard rubbish day.

        Presenting vaginas as disembodied possessions just waiting to be stolen isn’t just inaccurate (and searingly offensive – how many people who cursed Peter Slipper for comparing vaginas to mussels have invoked the old car key argument?) it also completely denies the reality of assault by shifting it into some kind of arbitrary narrative of property theft. Enduring rape has exactly zero things in common with the insignificant inconvenience of having to replace your credit cards, and it certainly isn’t done by stealth. When a woman puts on a short skirt, she isn’t signalling her exit from the building that is her body. She hasn’t left her car running on an empty street and wandered off to find some frozen yoghurt. All she’s done is put on a short skirt. You still have to ask her if she wants to have sex with you. You should still want to ask her.

      • If there’s anything that needs to change it’s the idea that rape is a “special” crime. That any woman who is raped or any woman in general must not be questioned about her actions leading up to said event. It’s counter-intuitive and only serves to distract from the issue (the crime that was committed) and bring hysteria to the fore.

        You see it all the time if you pay attention to cases like this. The victim of these crimes is not to be questioned in anyway. They can’t even stand to be in the same courtroom with their attacker (denying the attacker a constitutional right btw), asking them questions on the stand is like raping them all over again etc.

        I say this is wrong. In order to have the quickest and best results the victim should be open about their ordeal. After all, wouldn’t seeing your attacker behind bars be the best punishment?

        Don’t you see that curling up into a ball and retreating is what the attacker wants? The attacker is relying on your shame, your mental anguish to keep you paralyzed long enough so they can do it to someone else.

        I say put aside your emotions and get this done. Make sure they never hurt anyone again There will will be time for pain and healing when the job is done. All of this is much easier said than done, I know. But I believe it for the best.

        Nobody is arguing that the way a someone is dressed gives you license to rape them. Any sane person would agree with that. But we’re not talking about sane people here, are we? We talking about criminals. Severely disturbed people who can be triggered by any number and manner of things.

        My problem is with the pedestal the issue of rape is put on. It’s the feminists trump card. The tactic of “you couldn’t possibly understand it because you’re a man, so shut up and listen” is wrong. They raise rape victims up as heroes and survivors, but only the female ones. They outright ignore or downplay the number of male victims of rape.

        And with their ever expanding definition of what constitutes rape, they’ve destroyed many lives. Rape is not a gendered issue. it’s a human issue. Real progress will only be made when we view it from that perspective.

      • D-chi

        Don, I sincerely hope I’m never at a party with you where there’s alcohol. The fact that people like you continue to roam freely is why women fear for their lives.

      • I don’t drink so you don’t have to worry about that. Or are you implying that I’d take advantage of you if you were drunk? You obviously didn’t read my comments (granted there are a lot of them), but you can rest easy. I won’t.

      • You do realize men get raped too?

        And the reason why “feminists” treat this crime as “special” is because people like YOU treat it as “special.” On stories about bullying or murder or property theft, I NEVER notice trolling assholes like you rushing in to play devil’s advocate like “what did the victim do to deserve it? what were they wearing before the crime occurred? maybe they’re lying? were they drunk? because if so, the fault goes both ways!” YOU turned it into a gendered thing, YOU tried to argue crime victims bear equal responsibility with criminals, and YOU equated being sexually violated to falling down and hitting one’s head on the sidewalk.

      • Let’s take a wild leap and, for the sake of argument, say you’re right that rapes are both less common than reported and more often to be false accusations. Let’s be super generous and say that rapes are half as common as reported and half of those are false accusations. That’s still about 60,000 rapes a year in the US, over 160 a day. Even in my bullshit ridiculously skewed in your argument’s favor thought experiment you still end up being a fuckwit.

      • “It might sound harsh, but someone who drinks to the point where they pass out in public and then gets sexually assaulted is as much at fault as the person who assaulted them. You put yourself in position to be taken advantage of.”

        You couldn’t be more wrong if you tried. Someone getting drunk is just as much as fault as the person who says “I’ll have sex with this person who is passed out.” Everyone should have the reasonable expectation to not have things put inside them after pounding a bunch of margaritas. By your thinking I quoted, any gal who dresses sexy or gets drunk or does essentially anything besides hiding their home is putting themselves in a position to be raped and therefore, equally at fault.

        The fault in a rape lies with the rapist and only the rapist. That bullshit that it’s because of alcohol, or sexy clothing, or any other crap the Men’s Rights shitbirds come up with is absolutely victim blaming.

      • I blame all rapes on Donald Trump. I just don’t like that guy.

      • Nobody does. I can’t blame you.

      • Don’t conflate different issues, Uncle Phil. Anybody who has sex with a passed out person is a rapist. The person can’t consent so it’s rape.

        “any gal who dresses sexy or gets drunk or does essentially anything besides hiding their home is putting themselves in a position to be raped and therefore, equally at fault.”

        Show me where I said the way somebody’s dressed is license to rape. I spoke specifically of substance abuse in public places. 1 issue.

        You might expect safety, but you can’t tell what the intentions of other people are, so it is your obligation to protect yourself.

      • “It might sound harsh, but someone who drinks to the point where they pass out in public and then gets sexually assaulted is as much at fault as the person who assaulted them. You put yourself in position to be taken advantage of.”–Don Zaloog, 10 goddamned minutes ago.

        Short-term memory loss?

      • My memory’s fine. How does that run against what I just said? You protect yourself by not drinking to excess around strangers. How hard is that to understand?

      • D-chi

        WHY do maintain that women should not be allowed to drink in the company of men? We’re not the offenders. By your logic, men should be handcuffed at any social gathering where females and alcohol are present, to protect them from rape.

      • D-chi

        Oh sorry, “strangers.” But seeing as how most rape is perpetrated by men, what I said wasn’t too much of a stretch.

      • I never said they can’t drink. I said don’t drink to the point where you can’t support yourself. It’s dangerous for anybody to do that.

      • “Are you one of those “don’t tell me what to wear, teach men not to rape” people?” I honestly don’t know what to say to that. I guess I am one of “those people” but don’t see how that is a bad thing.

        “If so, why do you lock your doors? Why don’t you just tell thieves not to steal, kidnappers not to kidnap etc. Do you see how faulty that logic is?”

        What that is implying is that if my house gets broken into, or I get kidnapped or robbed is that I am somehow at fault, instead of the criminal perpetrating the crime. I do see some faulty logic, but I’m not sure it’s the same stuff you thinking of.

      • The logic is that we lock our doors to keep thieves and other undesirables out. To protect ourselves. How is it such an alien concept to tell people to protect themselves by not passing out in public around strangers? To avoid dangerous situations as much as possible.

        I really don’t see the contention here.

      • Cock Dr

        “Feminism is poison…feminism is no longer necessary”.
        If you were a woman, especially a poor woman living in one of our backward southern states, where they like to keep ‘em barefoot and pregnant, so very very pregnant, I doubt you would think that way.

      • They way you say “keep them pregnant” sounds like they are chained in a basement being used as sex slaves. That’s a whole different issue.

        And how does feminism help a woman like that? Sounds more like a poverty issue than a gender issue. Anti-poverty laws help everyone not just women, so feminism is not necessary.

        In my experience the most common reason poor people have so many children because they have no other distractions so they use sex instead. And they obviously aren’t going to use protection.

        Poor man & woman, have no other outlet so they have sex, woman gets pregnant, makes baby which costs more money and adds more stress so they have sex to relieve the stress here comes another baby and so on and so on. It’s a self-perpetuating cycle.

        Education, access to contraception and opportunities for upward mobility so they can escape poverty is what’s needed here. Not feminism.

      • I’ll make sure to keep my house from drinking too much in public.

      • Good lord I am just the Typo King today. FUCK!

      • False analogy. Both men and women have to lock their doors against burglars. Only women are told they shouldn’t be out after dark and shouldn’t “dress provocatively”.

      • And both men and women can be raped. The analogy is not false. You’re only willing to see one side of it. Once again, perspective. Women are generally physically weaker than men and the criminals will generally be men or have weapons.

        Nighttime is easier for criminals because of all the dark corners they can hide in and a lack of witnesses. The advice to protect yourself is gender neutral. Women like to act as if men can go wherever they want, anytime they want, dressed however they want and nothing will ever happen to them.

        The majority of victims of all violent crime are men (except domestic violence. Women are still the majority but only by less than 10%). So you don’t even have the numbers to back you up there.

        But nobody cares or notices when men are the victims of crimes. Men are supposed t be strong at all times, so the idea of us being victims is disregarded. When women are the victims everybody sits up and takes notice. Like the Boko Haram incident. Boko has been killing boys for years and nobody gave a fuck. Now that he’s kidnapped some girls, he’s the world’s most wanted man.

        Who’s telling women that they shouldn’t dress provocatively? Because it isn’t me and they obviously aren’t listening.

      • DZ: 90% of all rapes are not “stranger rapes”: the rapes are done by people known by the rape victims.

        Your scenarios fall apart because of this one simple fact.

        The fact is, if women are truly going to protect themselves by avoiding situations in which 90% of all rapes occur, they must avoid ALL men. Because if someone rapes them it, will be a neighbor/family member/friend/aquaintance/coworker.

        This bullshit about avoid drinking at parties and wearing short skirts and going out after dark is just that, bullshit. Fact is, rapists are so close to the victims that there is no way to be safe except total segregation of the genders….

        OR (and this is just one of those wild and crazy ideas we feminists conjure from time to time) we COULD work hard to create a culture in which rapists are not produced. A culture that discourages misogyny and misandry and violence of ALL kinds.

        But hey, that’s CRAZY because it’s a feminist idea. So, which half of the world do you guys want? We women called dibs on every place with nice beaches :)

      • “But nobody cares or notices when men are the victims of crimes. Men are supposed t be strong at all times, so the idea of us being victims is disregarded. When women are the victims everybody sits up and takes notice. Like the Boko Haram incident. Boko has been killing boys for years and nobody gave a fuck. Now that he’s kidnapped some girls, he’s the world’s most wanted man”

        Don, you have got to be worn out. Those goal posts are likely heavy and moving them every time you get outsmarted can’t be easy.

      • The goalpost hasn’t moved. You just didn’t realize how big the field was.

      • In the cases where the rapist is a family member/loved one/authourity figure,the victims must be encouraged to speak up and come forward. False accusers must be punished and stigma surrounding these people must be removed.

        But how are we going to get to this paradise world you speak of? It certainly won’t be the feminist way of demonizing anything and everything men do. And definitely not from their constant lies about wage gaps, 1 in 4 rape statistics, lying about domestic violence etc. We can’t get anywhere if one side is always lying about the issues.

        Women must be held to the same standards as men. No more lenient sentences, pussy passes, chivalry, alimony etc.

        And you can’t get all the beaches, I need my bikini shots ;P

      • D-chi

        Actually, feminism fights for men as well. They want to get rid of this idea that hyper-masculinity is the only way to really be a man. There’s nothing wrong with being feminine, and men can be feminine if they want to. So any pressure you feel to “be a man” is probably mainly because other men have perpetuated these oppressive stereotypes.

      • That’s where you’re wrong. Feminism says it’s fighting for men too. If that was the case, why are they so against the Men’s Rights Movement?

        If they cared about men’s rights they shouldn’t have any issue with the MRM. But what happens when men try to gather to discuss their issues? This.

        And this.


        Did you see the part where our red-headed friend sings “Cry Me A River” about the issue of male suicide? Classic.

      • Because the Men’s Rights folks are a bunch of troglodytes who were breast fed until they were 12 and now they can’t figure out how to get laid. So instead of looking inward to see why they are sad lonely fuckwits, they’ve decided that by treating women as actual people they are somehow being emasculated. “Women won’t talk to me, so women must be the problem.” Nope sorry.

        Women won’t talk to those fucking socially inept fucktards because Men’s Rights types project bitterness that can be seen from space. So fuck those fucking fucks in their fucking tiny-dicked asses. Sorry it isn’t the 50′s anymore and you can’t just grab women’s asses whenever you want. I feel for you losers. The power structure has changed and what women are looking for has changed. You can cry about Men’s Rights all you want, but it’s just a bunch of scared little boys who don’t understand why women don’t magically notice them when they do nothing in life worth noticing.

        Now I’ve figured out why you’re always willing to fuck any woman that has ever been shown on this site: none of them are actually people to you. Just life support systems for vaginas. Good luck with that shitastic world view.

        And just in case I’m unclear on this one: Men’s Rights advocates are pussies that have a host of unresolved anger issues with women. It’s has nothing to do with rights and everything to do with men continuing to hold power over women, Again you guys can’t figure out how to deal with them on equal footing, so you’re trying to hold on to a social structure that gives you the power by virtue of having a penis. Fuck that fucking whiny baby, 3 inch dick bullshit.

      • “Now I’ve figured out why you’re always willing to fuck any woman that has ever been shown on this site: none of them are actually people to you. Just life support systems for vaginas. Good luck with that shitastic world view.”

        Yeah seems you’re right. Too bad.

      • *waits for an oh-so-offended Men’s Rights activist to tell Uncle Phil that he’s describing the Pick-Up Artist community, and how Men’s Rights has nothing to do with that crowd*

      • It’s Sunday afternoon and I’m just now wading through this thread. And, holy shit, did I just spit out my coffee at this.

        Don’t ever leave me, Tom Frank, don’t you ever leave.

      • Your_Mom's_Gunt

        Because the feminist folks are a bunch of dumb broads who are complete and total cows. So instead of looking inward to see why they are sad spinster cat ladies, they’ve decided that by treating men as actual people they are somehow being held down. “Some men are misogynistic pricks, so all men need to be ‘educated’” Nope sorry.

        Men want nothing to do with these nagging harpies because feminist types project bitterness that can be seen from space. So anally rape all of those women. Sorry it isn’t the 50′s anymore you have just as many rights as everyone else. Shut the fuck up I feel for you heifers. The power structure has changed by and large the way men and society at large act has changed. You can cry about patriarchy and rape culture all you want, but it’s just a bunch of scared birds who don’t understand that evil people do evil things.

        …..I’ve lost interest in going any further. Just for shits and giggles, pretend I added the same kind of body shaming and virgin/slut shaming that you did.

        I would be a disgusting piece of shit to actually hold any of those views about feminists or women in general.

        Yes, a lot of MRA’s are whiny bitches bitter toward women – a lot of them are also deeply concerned and vocal about things like male crime, male suicide, the justice system, mental health, and men who feel totally disconnected from the world for a variety of reasons. Maybe, just maybe, in light of recent events over the last decade or so, those might be issues worth addressing.

      • This was a cordial conversation before Matrim showed up and Uncle Phil realized he can’t counter my points so he’ll just insult me and hope I go away.

        I’d love for you to show me some MRA literature fighting for our right to grab women’s asses.

        I’ve been doing this for over 2 years now and it’s always the same. Veronika, cmonreally and Cock Dr, thanks for staying on point and not resorting to Matrim’s tactics. I left here last night thinking this was the best conversation with feminists I’ve ever had, that even if we disagreed, by putting our points of view out there that we could learn something from each other in the end. Only to come back 8 hrs later to find the same old tired shit.

        “You disagree with women on certain things, that must mean you can’t get laid/have a small penis/ live with your mom/hate your mom/are a misogynist” or any other one of the many shaming tactics feminists usually employ when you challenge them. It lost it’s effect 6 months in.

        “Life support systems for vaginas” that’s a new one. Vaginas can go on life support now? When did this happen? If I didn’t hear it from McBeef, I’m calling bullshit.

        I’m guessing you love all the people you see on this site as full and complete people despite never having met them or not knowing them personally. GTFO with bullshit. You come here for the same reason I do, to superficially judge celebrities and talk shit about them. Unbunch your drawers and get off Sarah Jessica Parker.

      • Wait a minute. I thought men were supposed to be bearded, guitar- strumming sensitive hipsters. Now we’re supposed to be women- hating date rapists?? Can someone please make up their mind? What does society want of me?? WHO AM I?

  15. Can we just get back to talking about titties already?

  16. So, when I say that I get fucked in the ass at work, that’s… bad? Keeping in mind that I work in IT and not adult film.

  17. rican

    Hopefully these hollywood morons keep talking until the majority of normal people realize that they are idiots with a talent to portray make believe stories, and stop idolizing them.

  18. Charlize Theron Bikini Mario Testino Shoot
    rican
    Commented on this photo:

    Is she raping herself with her finger?

  19. Hey everybody! What’s going on…in….this…….uh, nevermind.
    (gently pulls door closed after backing out)

  20. Pat C.

    Well, I know how Charlize feels. When someone thumbs down one of my comments, I feel like an Auschwitz victim.

  21. #YesAllMovieStars

  22. Mel Gibson's Shrink

    She sounds… intelligent. Not.

  23. Slash

    Yeah, I think I’ll go along with Superficial here. Damn you, Sean Penn’s penis!

    I have to question how much awful stuff Theron has read about herself. Until she started comparing reading things on the internet to sexual assault, she seemed to be fairly well-regarded.

  24. Since we’re posting videos, here’s Myths About Rape:

    More of that “feminist propaganda”. 1 out of 4 college women are the victims of a rape or attempted rape–and since it’s women’s duty to protect themselves, it’s clear that WOMEN SHOULD NOT ATTEND COLLEGE #massivesarcasm

    • I already posted a counter to that earlier. So I’ll just leave this here. I’m off to work. See you tomorrow.
      .

      • Are you so delusional that you think something that looks like the cover a Sepultura cassette single is going to be taken seriously? Jesus christ you’ve posted some seriously belligerent and backwards shit today. Who fucked you up this bad Don and why does every woman on Earth have to pay for it?

      • Are you guys not even watching the videos? are you judging them by the thumbnails? How are you gonna argue the points if you didn’t watch it?

        Here’s another classic shaming tactic. “Who hurt you? You couldn’t possibly be interested in these issues unless someone fucked you over hard”

        Sorry to burst your bubble, but all my relationships with women have been positive. That doesn’t mean I’ll turn a blind eye to the hypocrisy of feminism.

  25. eh

    The real question, how does it feel to be Fish or one of the other celeb blogger bottomfeeders who are so hated by the women they lust after? That’s right, every hot woman thinks you’re a creepy rapist type guy who violates them in their sleep.

  26. (googles self)
    Does NOT, Charly!

  27. The ironic part of this is that Charlize will never know the Internet’s reaction to her dumbass comment, because she doesn’t do The Google.

  28. rican

    I just Googled myself, and now I feel dirty and ashamed.

  29. man that means I’ve raped myself many times lol

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